The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

[desertrat23]

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.

Disingenuous? By telling the truth about what the Cardinals have said? LOL.

Yes… it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest the Cardinals aren’t signing top FA because they prefer to see how a player fits with the team. They aren’t signing top FAs because it’s not financially prudent in their market. That is the only real reason.

The Cardinals have had a different business plan than your FA plan for many years, Quincy. Build through the system and trade to fill holes as needed. It’s brought them a ton of winning seasons and 2 World Championships this century. Don’t expect it to change.

The industry has changed since they won those WS. They have to choose to change with it or become irrelevant. They've chosen the latter.

[Cranny]

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.

Disingenuous? By telling the truth about what the Cardinals have said? LOL.

Yes… it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest the Cardinals aren’t signing top FA because they prefer to see how a player fits with the team. They aren’t signing top FAs because it’s not financially prudent in their market. That is the only real reason.

The Cardinals have had a different business plan than your FA plan for many years, Quincy. Build through the system and trade to fill holes as needed. It’s brought them a ton of winning seasons and 2 World Championships this century. Don’t expect it to change.

Why are BDW/MO more than happy to overpay on middling talent rather than put eggs in the Elite basket and fill in internally. An elite player or 2 HAS BEEN what put the Cards over the top when they won those 2 WS this Century

And where did those elite player or two come from?
Free agents that were bought?

[desertrat23]

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.

Disingenuous? By telling the truth about what the Cardinals have said? LOL.

Yes… it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest the Cardinals aren’t signing top FA because they prefer to see how a player fits with the team. They aren’t signing top FAs because it’s not financially prudent in their market. That is the only real reason.

The Cardinals have had a different business plan than your FA plan for many years, Quincy. Build through the system and trade to fill holes as needed. It’s brought them a ton of winning seasons and 2 World Championships this century. Don’t expect it to change.

Why are BDW/MO more than happy to overpay on middling talent rather than put eggs in the Elite basket and fill in internally. An elite player or 2 HAS BEEN what put the Cards over the top when they won those 2 WS this Century

And where did those elite player or two come from?
Free agents that were bought?

Yes. 2006: Suppan, 2011: Berkman. I struggle to call those guys "elite," but they're what put the team over the top.

[Cranny]

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.

Disingenuous? By telling the truth about what the Cardinals have said? LOL.

Yes… it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest the Cardinals aren’t signing top FA because they prefer to see how a player fits with the team. They aren’t signing top FAs because it’s not financially prudent in their market. That is the only real reason.

The Cardinals have had a different business plan than your FA plan for many years, Quincy. Build through the system and trade to fill holes as needed. It’s brought them a ton of winning seasons and 2 World Championships this century. Don’t expect it to change.

Why are BDW/MO more than happy to overpay on middling talent rather than put eggs in the Elite basket and fill in internally. An elite player or 2 HAS BEEN what put the Cards over the top when they won those 2 WS this Century

And where did those elite player or two come from?
Free agents that were bought?

Yes. 2006: Suppan, 2011: Berkman. I struggle to call those guys "elite," but they're what put the team over the top.

If the Cardinals signed guys like that today, CT would scour them.

[butsir01]

Take Miles and Eric for two nights running.

[desertrat23]

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.

Disingenuous? By telling the truth about what the Cardinals have said? LOL.

Yes… it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest the Cardinals aren’t signing top FA because they prefer to see how a player fits with the team. They aren’t signing top FAs because it’s not financially prudent in their market. That is the only real reason.

The Cardinals have had a different business plan than your FA plan for many years, Quincy. Build through the system and trade to fill holes as needed. It’s brought them a ton of winning seasons and 2 World Championships this century. Don’t expect it to change.

Why are BDW/MO more than happy to overpay on middling talent rather than put eggs in the Elite basket and fill in internally. An elite player or 2 HAS BEEN what put the Cards over the top when they won those 2 WS this Century

And where did those elite player or two come from?
Free agents that were bought?

Yes. 2006: Suppan, 2011: Berkman. I struggle to call those guys "elite," but they're what put the team over the top.

If the Cardinals signed guys like that today, CT would scour them.

I guess that would all depend on how they and the team perform, wouldn't it?

[Cranny]

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.

Disingenuous? By telling the truth about what the Cardinals have said? LOL.

Yes… it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest the Cardinals aren’t signing top FA because they prefer to see how a player fits with the team. They aren’t signing top FAs because it’s not financially prudent in their market. That is the only real reason.

The Cardinals have had a different business plan than your FA plan for many years, Quincy. Build through the system and trade to fill holes as needed. It’s brought them a ton of winning seasons and 2 World Championships this century. Don’t expect it to change.

Why are BDW/MO more than happy to overpay on middling talent rather than put eggs in the Elite basket and fill in internally. An elite player or 2 HAS BEEN what put the Cards over the top when they won those 2 WS this Century

And where did those elite player or two come from?
Free agents that were bought?

Yes. 2006: Suppan, 2011: Berkman. I struggle to call those guys "elite," but they're what put the team over the top.

If the Cardinals signed guys like that today, CT would scour them.

I guess that would all depend on how they and the team perform, wouldn't it?

I was referring to the time of signing.

[desertrat23]

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.

Disingenuous? By telling the truth about what the Cardinals have said? LOL.

Yes… it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest the Cardinals aren’t signing top FA because they prefer to see how a player fits with the team. They aren’t signing top FAs because it’s not financially prudent in their market. That is the only real reason.

The Cardinals have had a different business plan than your FA plan for many years, Quincy. Build through the system and trade to fill holes as needed. It’s brought them a ton of winning seasons and 2 World Championships this century. Don’t expect it to change.

Why are BDW/MO more than happy to overpay on middling talent rather than put eggs in the Elite basket and fill in internally. An elite player or 2 HAS BEEN what put the Cards over the top when they won those 2 WS this Century

And where did those elite player or two come from?
Free agents that were bought?

Yes. 2006: Suppan, 2011: Berkman. I struggle to call those guys "elite," but they're what put the team over the top.

If the Cardinals signed guys like that today, CT would scour them.

I guess that would all depend on how they and the team perform, wouldn't it?

I was referring to the time of signing.

I’d love to come up with a witty rejoinder, but this is impossible to argue with.