GDT : MLB Draft (7/13-14) ~ 5:00pm CDT

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Doyle was the eighth-ranked prospect in the draft according to Baseball America, but boasts a 70-grade fastball that sits in the 95-97MPH range and gets to 100 MPH with excellent ride. He has a 50-grade slider, 55-grade changeup, and 50-grade cutter with developing control. His 42.6% strikeout rate was the best mark in all of Division 1 baseball this year.

Yea, I don't understand anyone freaking out over this pick. Like you said, BA ranked him the 8th best prospect overall. That's pretty close to the 5th pick, if you're absolutely certain that BAs rankings are gospel. The Cardinals, like other organizations, have their own draft boards. Who knows where they ranked him.

To me, he's got the highest upside out of any of the top ranked college arms. He's got a reliever floor, but you gotta trust this new development team to work with the scouting and drafting department and be able to develop this guy into a top of the rotation starter. He's got more swing and miss stuff than most, if not anyone in our system already. Our #1 pitching prospect right now. I'm sick of contact pitchers. It's nice having a guy with that kind of stuff.

So, if anyone follows this stuff a lot, I can understand wishing maybe they picked someone else, but if you're freaking out and acting like this is some awful pick, or the FO somehow trying to be cheap, I think you're crazy.

[82birds]

1-11
A's

Jamie Arnold

[Clubmaker2]

Does Arnold staying available on the board till 11 make Doyle selection look better?

[AtillaTheBlue1]

when have the cardinals proven they can develop top talent at pitching???

they have to throw miles, fedde, palantte,etc because they cannot

[RunSup]

Paraphrasing a BA scouting report,...

Doyle has a 70 grade fastball.

Secondary pitches are developing. (Which may mean he doesn't move fast unless the make him a reliever.) The best of the secondaries may be a splitter.

Analytics like the secondary pitches more than the scouts. So let the arguments begin

Hi effort delivery. Lots of passion on the mound. If Contreras gets beaned, I'd expect this kid to have something to say.

[RunSup]

Will copy a past this one. BA's report on Doyle.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/players ... iam-doyle/

School: Tennessee Drafted/Committed: Never Drafted
Age At Draft: 21.1

BA Grade: 55/High

When hitters step into the box against Doyle, they know his fastball is coming but there’s not much they can do about it. The 6-foot-2, 220-pound lefthander and New Hampshire native has bounced around in college, first at Coastal Carolina in 2023, then at Ole Miss in 2024 and finally Tennessee in 2025. He surged up draft boards by being the most dominant arm in the country, with a 2.91 ERA over 16 regular-season starts and 89.2 innings. His 42.6% strikeout rate was the best mark in Division I. Doyle attacks hitters with a high-effort delivery that features a harsh fall-off to the third base side and looks more like a reliever, but he has pitched as a starter with solid control for three years. His arsenal is centered on a high-usage fastball that sits 95-97 mph and touches 100 with excellent riding life. It’s an easy plus pitch on velocity alone, but the life and the flat approach angle with which he throws it—in addition to his impressive ability to locate it at the top of the zone—makes it a 70-grade offering and one of the best fastballs in the class. Doyle’s secondaries are a bigger question. He throws a low-80s slider, an upper-80s cutter and a mid-80s splitter, all of which earn differing grades depending on whether you talk to scouts or analysts. The latter are more optimistic. Both parties agree that Doyle’s splitter has above-average potential and is his most advanced secondary pitch. Doyle’s outlier fastball traits and SEC dominance have him positioned to be a top 10 overall pick and in the running to be the first arm off the board.

Scouting Grades: Fastball: 70 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 55 | Cutter: 50 | Control: 50.

[renostl]

Try this again.... NEW POLL

https://poll-maker.com/poll5534415x0FCAC17b-164 If Anderson, Doyle, Hernandez, and Holliday are gone, who do you want at #5?

It be difficult to be too disappointed at least this year.
Rationale to each choice.

Pitcher vs hitter. IF the pitchers left are seen as a #3 or less
I'd go hitter, Irish, Willits, or Parker.
I've yet to vote

Everything I have read and heard indicates at the college level this is a very good year for pitching prospects and a below average year for hitters
Because the college hitter crop is viewed as thin, the high school position players are getting more hype than they should.
If STL has the opportunity to select one of the top 3 college pitchers, rather than a college bat or HS lottery guess, that is the smartest play.
No guarantees in any draft, but strategically that is the soundest decision

Of course you are not any more wrong in
the attempt to predict the future.

To me you project each player. If it’s a pitcher and you are picking this high that individual pitcher should project as a #1 or #2 otherwise how much superior is that over what may be there in round 2?

If the Cards don't see a 1 or 2 left when they pick at #5
my hope would be for the best bat. I fully understand and appreciate that #3-#5 are needed too.

They did the most logical and strategic thing.

This pick fits both of our positions.
The Cardinals see him as a TOR guy otherwise
they should not have picked him.

I preferred him over a couple of the guys here, which I hope isn't a jinx.

Let's hope that the Cardinals got it right and can continue with his development

[82birds]

1-12
Rangers

Gavin Fien


it's raining high school shortstops

[swatski]

Hate the guy. 80% fastballs ain’t gonna cut it in the bigs.

Someone better tell Zach Wheeler he’s doing it wrong

Wheeler relies on 6 pitches. Four Seamer (41.9%) Sinker (17.7%) Sweeper (13.7%) Curveball (9.2%) Cutter (9.1%) Split Finger (8.4%)

You were close or maybe you are thinking about when he pitches against Cardinals.

[Ozziesfan41]

Will copy a past this one. BA's report on Doyle.

School: Tennessee Drafted/Committed: Never Drafted
Age At Draft: 21.1

BA Grade: 55/High

When hitters step into the box against Doyle, they know his fastball is coming but there’s not much they can do about it. The 6-foot-2, 220-pound lefthander and New Hampshire native has bounced around in college, first at Coastal Carolina in 2023, then at Ole Miss in 2024 and finally Tennessee in 2025. He surged up draft boards by being the most dominant arm in the country, with a 2.91 ERA over 16 regular-season starts and 89.2 innings. His 42.6% strikeout rate was the best mark in Division I. Doyle attacks hitters with a high-effort delivery that features a harsh fall-off to the third base side and looks more like a reliever, but he has pitched as a starter with solid control for three years. His arsenal is centered on a high-usage fastball that sits 95-97 mph and touches 100 with excellent riding life. It’s an easy plus pitch on velocity alone, but the life and the flat approach angle with which he throws it—in addition to his impressive ability to locate it at the top of the zone—makes it a 70-grade offering and one of the best fastballs in the class. Doyle’s secondaries are a bigger question. He throws a low-80s slider, an upper-80s cutter and a mid-80s splitter, all of which earn differing grades depending on whether you talk to scouts or analysts. The latter are more optimistic. Both parties agree that Doyle’s splitter has above-average potential and is his most advanced secondary pitch. Doyle’s outlier fastball traits and SEC dominance have him positioned to be a top 10 overall pick and in the running to be the first arm off the board.

Scouting Grades: Fastball: 70 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 55 | Cutter: 50 | Control: 50.

A closer at best. Lots of injuries that derail him like Reyes at worst with that high effort delivery Wasted pick

[craviduce]

HS SS....big run on them.

[82birds]

1-13
san fran

Gavin Kilen

another SS, college this time

[craviduce]

Tennessee has their 2nd pick of the night.

Fischer, Russell, Phillips going tonight as well?

[craviduce]

if we could land Russell from Tennessee...and he stays healthy...and if Doyle makes it as a Starter...that's the NEW GASHOUSE GANG....pure heat from both.

[imyourhuckleberry]

when have the cardinals proven they can develop top talent at pitching???

they have to throw miles, fedde, palantte,etc because they cannot

If your position is that the minor league development team put together by Bloom will be no better than the old team, then you've probably made a good point.

However, this new team is just getting started. It's up to you, of course, but might I humbly suggest giving them a shot before lumping them in with the old regime?

[craviduce]

this run on HS SS is pushing a lot of decent college hitters into the late 1st round, maybe Comp A round.