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Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:01 pmThat’s neat. Every team “likes” that, but not to the extent they are unwilling to sign free agents without giving them a test drive. Are you going to suggest that the Cardinals haven’t signed top free agents for this reason? That’s what you’re supposed to believe…

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:49 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Well, Quincy, I guess I have to repeat what BDW, Jr. has said many times at WWUs. Sorry to other posters for the redundancy. He said that they like to get to know a player before committing long terms dollars to them. They like to
see how they are as a teammate, how they are with a manager and coaches, how they interact with the front office, how they are with the fans, and how they interact within the community.

That’s neat. Every team “likes” that, but not to the extent they are unwilling to sign free agents without giving them a test drive. Are you going to suggest that the Cardinals haven’t signed top free agents for this reason? That’s what you’re supposed to believe…

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:49 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Well, Quincy, I guess I have to repeat what BDW, Jr. has said many times at WWUs. Sorry to other posters for the redundancy. He said that they like to get to know a player before committing long terms dollars to them. They like to
see how they are as a teammate, how they are with a manager and coaches, how they interact with the front office, how they are with the fans, and how they interact within the community.

That’s neat. Every team “likes” that, but not to the extent they are unwilling to sign free agents without giving them a test drive. Are you going to suggest that the Cardinals haven’t signed top free agents for this reason? That’s what you’re supposed to believe…

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:49 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Well, Quincy, I guess I have to repeat what BDW, Jr. has said many times at WWUs. Sorry to other posters for the redundancy. He said that they like to get to know a player before committing long terms dollars to them. They like to
see how they are as a teammate, how they are with a manager and coaches, how they interact with the front office, how they are with the fans, and how they interact within the community.

That’s neat. Every team “likes” that, but not to the extent they are unwilling to sign free agents without giving them a test drive. Are you going to suggest that the Cardinals haven’t signed top free agents for this reason? That’s what you’re supposed to believe…

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:16 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Don't worry. He will.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:19 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:49 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Well, Quincy, I guess I have to repeat what BDW, Jr. has said many times at WWUs. Sorry to other posters for the redundancy. He said that they like to get to know a player before committing long terms dollars to them. They like to
see how they are as a teammate, how they are with a manager and coaches, how they interact with the front office, how they are with the fans, and how they interact within the community.

That’s neat. Every team “likes” that, but not to the extent they are unwilling to sign free agents without giving them a test drive. Are you going to suggest that the Cardinals haven’t signed top free agents for this reason? That’s what you’re supposed to believe…

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

Then they’re not serious about winning. No team serious about winning will just close off one avenue of roster improvement. It’s silly.

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:22 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:19 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:01 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:49 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Well, Quincy, I guess I have to repeat what BDW, Jr. has said many times at WWUs. Sorry to other posters for the redundancy. He said that they like to get to know a player before committing long terms dollars to them. They like to
see how they are as a teammate, how they are with a manager and coaches, how they interact with the front office, how they are with the fans, and how they interact within the community.

That’s neat. Every team “likes” that, but not to the extent they are unwilling to sign free agents without giving them a test drive. Are you going to suggest that the Cardinals haven’t signed top free agents for this reason? That’s what you’re supposed to believe…

Sheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

Then they’re not serious about winning. No team serious about winning will just close off one avenue of roster improvement. It’s silly.

If you don’t understand the economics of the situation, it’s on you.

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:21 pm

Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:16 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Don't worry. He will.

Suggest you listen to what BDW, Jr. has said for years and what Rob Cerfolio is saying now. If you have a problem with what they say, give them a call and express it.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:25 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:21 pm

Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:16 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Don't worry. He will.

Suggest you listen to what BDW, Jr. has said for years and what Rob Cerfolio is saying now. If you have a problem with what they say, give them a call and express it.

Plenty of people have a problem with it. Thus the empty seats.

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:29 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:25 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:21 pm

Bad14 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:16 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 13:28 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Every team’s scouts do this so they don’t end up giving millions of dollars to a (bleep) teenager with low character and no discipline. It isn’t unique to the Cardinals.

As for the “we want to know a player first” rhetoric regarding FAs… that’s just lip service. If you truly believe the Cardinals front office is too incompetent to research a player’s background/character without having them within the organization, then just keep posting what you’re posting.

Don't worry. He will.

Suggest you listen to what BDW, Jr. has said for years and what Rob Cerfolio is saying now. If you have a problem with what they say, give them a call and express it.

Plenty of people have a problem with it. Thus the empty seats.

You, sir, are a waste of time. The Cards are playing good baseball and are only 2 1/2 games out of the lead in the Central. Enjoy the ride.

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pmSheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

WLTFE wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:51 pm I share season tix in Section 148...a lot of seats around me are empty and used to full of season tix holders....the people that still go to games are frustrated by the lack of a cohesive plan and having a Mo-ran still in charge...that's why he and DeTwit got Boooed on opening day...the team is playing better despite the lack of plan for the future...and no one gives a [fork] about how many games Mo-ran has won in the past...people are saving money and staying at home.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:51 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pmSheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:51 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 15:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 14:23 pmSheesh, what a waste of time on a busy Monday.
Why don’t you look at the trades they have made that prove what BDW, Jr. was saying - Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, etc. They prefer trades to FA signings. They have ever since BDW, Jr. and other investors bought the team. When they strayed from it with Fowler, Leake, Cecil, etc. it only proved their point more.

No one is disputing that DeWitt said that. And no one is disputing that they prefer trades to FAs. What we’re saying is this:

1. You can’t be truly successful without being successful at a high level in the FA market in 2025.
2. If DeWitt and his team can’t hit on free agents when they do “stray,” they need to change their FA evaluation process and/or find people who CAN be successful at evaluating and signing free agents.

No. Actually what I see are several trades to fill any large holes. As I’ve said (sorry to be redundant again), the only FA action you’ll see are short term free agent contracts with relievers and with older guys aka Berkman and Beltran. But huge long term FA contracts for guys in their prime? - Naw. Not going to happen.

If you were less disingenuous about the reasons for the above truths, you’d be met with less opposition.

They don’t have a real chance at signing top free agents, and cannot afford the risk of getting it wrong if they do.