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Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 11:00 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:52 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:46 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:32 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:12 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:22 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:20 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:16 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:08 am

That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.

Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.

I heard of it.

These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.

Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?

You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.

I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.

Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.

That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.

And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.

Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.

Don’t you get tired of changing the argument? We’re not talking about player development or equipment or coaches. We’re talking about the free-agent process, which, whether you and your miserly owner want to admit it, is a critical part of a championship roster.

And I addressed that with the mentioning of Fowler, Rat. You can put Leake and Cecil into the same category. I was surprised by those signing when they happened because they didn't fit the Cardinals M.O. And look what happened. It probably deepened the resolve to get to know players before investing big long term dollars in them.

See, here’s the thing: a serious organization would find a front office that was able to properly evaluate and sign quality free agents, rather than keep the incompetents and decide not to sign quality free agents.

You talk in generalizations. Put some meat on the bones. Like this -

Andrew Miller was signed to a 3 year contract in 2019. The contract was for $34,500,000. Think they did the proper due diligence on him?

All you want to do is bash BDW, Jr. and Mo. It's what gets you going. That's fine, but please don't talk to others on here about redundancy. You epitomize it.

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 11:24 am Trolling can have serious consequences. You've been warned by the powers that be.

Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 11:24 am Trolling can have serious consequences. You've been warned by the powers that be.

Now you're a moderator?

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 13:09 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

Tucker is more of a Goldschmidt-level player than a Judge, Soto, Ohtani, etc. level player.

At age 29, $500+ million, even to sign him for life, would be a mistake. You only pay that if you are sure that adding him makes you the clear favorite to win the WS in 2026.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 13:09 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

Tucker is more of a Goldschmidt-level player than a Judge, Soto, Ohtani, etc. level player.

At age 29, $500+ million, even to sign him for life, would be a mistake. You only pay that if you are sure that adding him makes you the clear favorite to win the WS in 2026.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:30 am

RunSup wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:26 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 07:56 am The team would look like-

Tucker Scott Burleson

Nado Winn Donovan Willy

Pages. DH Gorman/Herrera

Staff.

Gray Sandy Libby McG Pallante.

The reason I mention Tucker and Sandy as they are currently available or will be at seasons end. And no one else is available at this precise time.

Anything less in this scenerio just puts us in upper mediocre catagory. The reset is falling into our lap, all things functioning well- players- team - future.

There’s not a GM who wouldn’t love to be in our position. So much opportunity for power again.

Well Bulldog, I read your op and skipped to the last page. Now I have Supertramp stuck in my head. Thanks for the earworm.

"Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
Well, can you put your hands in your head? Oh no!"

Tucker feels like another Bryce Harper trip.

My read is that Walker will get another shot as this season has been lost. He is still young. Walker and Burly in RF until Josh Baez arrives.

Wetherholt in the mix sometime in 2026. Bloom trades Nado in the off season and do what Mo couldn't.

They won't sign Alcantra. Replace that name in 2027 with the SP they draft with the fifth pick in July.

Oli is the manager in 2026 or offered a role in the Development organization.

Thats the future I see in my crystal ball. But have fun storming the castle.

Gotta break the mold, or stay non relevant.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

WLTFE wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 14:50 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

DeTwit like many older people, hang on to the past and hope fans will remember how good it was...DeTwit just doesn't understand that the fans are (upset) and want more...we're not paying for how many games they used to win.

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 14:54 pm

WLTFE wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 14:50 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

DeTwit like many older people, hang on to the past and hope fans will remember how good it was...DeTwit just doesn't understand that the fans are (upset) and want more...we're not paying for how many games they used to win.

Please you will be accused of being spoiled, even though you shell out hard earned cash to attend the games.

renostl wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 13:41 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 13:09 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

Tucker is more of a Goldschmidt-level player than a Judge, Soto, Ohtani, etc. level player.

At age 29, $500+ million, even to sign him for life, would be a mistake. You only pay that if you are sure that adding him makes you the clear favorite to win the WS in 2026.

Judge is a good comparison since age and position are close.
Judge is also an NYY icon along with Superstar status.
He received 9/$360. just 2 seasons ago.

Vladi another icon at age 26 that Toronto desperately had to sign in order to attract other
players and their fans received 14/$500.

It's rare to get $40, It's rare for 10 years. I don't see where these $500 million guesses are
coming from. He's less than Judge IMO.

WLTFE wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 14:50 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:56 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Tucker will be getting a $500+M contract. He will not be a Cardinal.

You’re right, of course. Our owner doesn’t have the stomach to sit at the grownup’s table.

DeTwit like many older people, hang on to the past and hope fans will remember how good it was...DeTwit just doesn't understand that the fans are (upset) and want more...we're not paying for how many games they used to win.