I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.
As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.
Do they walk out from cornfields to talk to you?
Watch the Cerfolio interview and learn.
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
I don't care if they live in the community or screw the neighbor's dog. I only care about the Cards winning. Nothing else matters. I don't watch the games because they're good neighbor's or fabulous people. That's just a silly way to load up a ballclub. Get the best players you can and win championships. I don't personally know any ball players. Do you? If they do something bad enough, you know, like take steroids or beat their wife, then ship their butts out and replace them. Otherwise, stay out of their personal lives and let them produce for the team.
As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.
Do they walk out from cornfields to talk to you?
Watch the Cerfolio interview and learn.
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
Fowler was a good character guy. The due diligence was on performance. As for not fitting in , Ozuna Rolen and Drew come to mind.
As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.
Do they walk out from cornfields to talk to you?
Watch the Cerfolio interview and learn.
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.
As a matter of fact I do know some players. And they all talk about how important team chemistry is. Suggestion for you -
listen to the entirety of the Cerfolio interview that was post on here. Then come back and we can discuss how important character is when building a team that can win together.
Do they walk out from cornfields to talk to you?
Watch the Cerfolio interview and learn.
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
Fowler was a good character guy. The due diligence was on performance. As for not fitting in , Ozuna Rolen and Drew come to mind.
Sorry, Dawg, unless you have contacts within the Cardinal organization, I won't take stock in what you have to say about
Fowler, because you're wrong.
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
Fowler was a good character guy. The due diligence was on performance. As for not fitting in , Ozuna Rolen and Drew come to mind.
Sorry, Dawg, unless you have contacts within the Cardinal organization, I won't take stock in what you have to say about
Fowler, because you're wrong.
Ok I’m wrong. That’s easy to admit. You know more than I. Other than Fowler any more.
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
Fowler was a good character guy. The due diligence was on performance. As for not fitting in , Ozuna Rolen and Drew come to mind.
Sorry, Dawg, unless you have contacts within the Cardinal organization, I won't take stock in what you have to say about
Fowler, because you're wrong.
Ok I’m wrong. That’s easy to admit. You know more than I. Other than Fowler any more.
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.
Don’t you get tired of changing the argument? We’re not talking about player development or equipment or coaches. We’re talking about the free-agent process, which, whether you and your miserly owner want to admit it, is a critical part of a championship roster.
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.
Don’t you get tired of changing the argument? We’re not talking about player development or equipment or coaches. We’re talking about the free-agent process, which, whether you and your miserly owner want to admit it, is a critical part of a championship roster.
And I addressed that with the mentioning of Fowler, Rat. You can put Leake and Cecil into the same category. I was surprised by those signing when they happened because they didn't fit the Cardinals M.O. And look what happened. It probably deepened the resolve to get to know players before investing big long term dollars in them.
Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 00:33 am
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.
Don’t you get tired of changing the argument? We’re not talking about player development or equipment or coaches. We’re talking about the free-agent process, which, whether you and your miserly owner want to admit it, is a critical part of a championship roster.
And I addressed that with the mentioning of Fowler, Rat. You can put Leake and Cecil into the same category. I was surprised by those signing when they happened because they didn't fit the Cardinals M.O. And look what happened. It probably deepened the resolve to get to know players before investing big long term dollars in them.
Well wait now. You’re painting a new picture here- the Cards are bad at character assessment picture.
Based on your post, that’s Fowler Wong Leake Cecil that were bad character signings, added to Drew Rolen and Ozuna.
You are correct sir. They are lousy on character assessment. You proved your position. Congrats.
Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 00:33 am
I did. And he didn't say all of what you're saying. You're living in the distant past. No team wants a clubhouse cancer. Just look at Devers. But teams aren't looking for community leaders either. They're looking for star players who can win, sell merchandise, and put butts in seats. And teams don't need to do a test drive on a player. Teams had plenty of data of a player's character before they bring him in.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.
Don’t you get tired of changing the argument? We’re not talking about player development or equipment or coaches. We’re talking about the free-agent process, which, whether you and your miserly owner want to admit it, is a critical part of a championship roster.
And I addressed that with the mentioning of Fowler, Rat. You can put Leake and Cecil into the same category. I was surprised by those signing when they happened because they didn't fit the Cardinals M.O. And look what happened. It probably deepened the resolve to get to know players before investing big long term dollars in them.
See, here’s the thing: a serious organization would find a front office that was able to properly evaluate and sign quality free agents, rather than keep the incompetents and decide not to sign quality free agents.
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.
Don’t you get tired of changing the argument? We’re not talking about player development or equipment or coaches. We’re talking about the free-agent process, which, whether you and your miserly owner want to admit it, is a critical part of a championship roster.
And I addressed that with the mentioning of Fowler, Rat. You can put Leake and Cecil into the same category. I was surprised by those signing when they happened because they didn't fit the Cardinals M.O. And look what happened. It probably deepened the resolve to get to know players before investing big long term dollars in them.
Well wait now. You’re painting a new picture here- the Cards are bad at character assessment picture.
Based on your post, that’s Fowler Wong Leake Cecil that were bad character signings, added to Drew Rolen and Ozuna.
You are correct sir. They are lousy on character assessment. You proved your position. Congrats.
Careful — you’re about to read the old “90 wins in 3 of the last 5 full seasons” tripe again….
I'm living in the distant past? When Cerfolio said that "character" is at least as important as skills? Adding to that, BDW, Jr. has publicaly stated many times that the Cardinals want to get to know a player first before investing big dollars over a number of years.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.
Don’t you get tired of changing the argument? We’re not talking about player development or equipment or coaches. We’re talking about the free-agent process, which, whether you and your miserly owner want to admit it, is a critical part of a championship roster.
And I addressed that with the mentioning of Fowler, Rat. You can put Leake and Cecil into the same category. I was surprised by those signing when they happened because they didn't fit the Cardinals M.O. And look what happened. It probably deepened the resolve to get to know players before investing big long term dollars in them.
See, here’s the thing: a serious organization would find a front office that was able to properly evaluate and sign quality free agents, rather than keep the incompetents and decide not to sign quality free agents.
You talk in generalizations. Put some meat on the bones. Like this -
Andrew Miller was signed to a 3 year contract in 2019. The contract was for $34,500,000. Think they did the proper due diligence on him?
All you want to do is bash BDW, Jr. and Mo. It's what gets you going. That's fine, but please don't talk to others on here about redundancy. You epitomize it.
Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 11:07 am
When we visit Uncle Ned at the home and he insists Aunt Peggy is still alive (she isn't), we just say "OK Uncle Ned." So OK Uncle Ned.
That thought process is outdated. Cardinals care less about getting to know you. This ain’t a dating service.
Better listen to that Cerfolio interview, dawg. You'll be better informed. Especially about the interviews the scouts have with coaches and teachers at the players schools. The scouts want to know if the player will fit in - that he takes instruction well, is a good teammate, etc.
I heard of it.
These players have long ago been vetted. Not the first time in the hopper. That’s the last thing on their minds.
Did you pay particular attention when he talked about "character" in the vetting process?
You have no ability to understand the points others are making. We're saying there are other ways to learn the characters of players without having them on the Cardinals for a period of time. You foolishly keep repeating yourself.
I don't foolishly do anything. I just repeat what BDW, Jr. and all the scouting directors have said at Winter Warmup over the years. And what Rob Cerfolio has said in his interview that was posted here. If you don't like what they have to say about the process, that's your problem.
Dawg - As far as free agents, for instance, one person who works for the Cardinals told me that if they had done the proper due diligence on Fowler before signing him, he never would have become a Cardinal.
That’s exactly right. You just repeat it. Blindly and slavishly, without any critical thinking or reflection that it may be misguided or in need of modernization. And then you wonder why everyone here thinks you just carry the organization’s water. Rob Cerfolio, who you’d never heard of until eight months ago, gets hired and gives an interview with a built-in rationalization for why they won’t go acquire premium talent and it’s now the Gospel. Sigh.
And to your point on Fowler, if that’s true and they didn’t do the proper due diligence before signing Fowler to a five-year, $82.5 million contract, add that to the list of reasons why John Mozeliak should have been terminated years ago.
Rob Cerfolio, working under Chaim Bloom is responsible for the types of players that the Cardinals bring into the organization through the draft, working with Randy Flores and the entire scouting department. They try to match outstanding talent with high character valuation. That's all. Simple as that. Not worth a long discussion. And as far as
"modernization", I've already commented on the new high level equipment the Cardinals have invested in and the hiring
of coaches who know how to teach with it. Common knowledge, again, not worthy of a long discussion.
Don’t you get tired of changing the argument? We’re not talking about player development or equipment or coaches. We’re talking about the free-agent process, which, whether you and your miserly owner want to admit it, is a critical part of a championship roster.
And I addressed that with the mentioning of Fowler, Rat. You can put Leake and Cecil into the same category. I was surprised by those signing when they happened because they didn't fit the Cardinals M.O. And look what happened. It probably deepened the resolve to get to know players before investing big long term dollars in them.
Well wait now. You’re painting a new picture here- the Cards are bad at character assessment picture.
Based on your post, that’s Fowler Wong Leake Cecil that were bad character signings, added to Drew Rolen and Ozuna.
You are correct sir. They are lousy on character assessment. You proved your position. Congrats.
Careful — you’re about to read the old “90 wins in 3 of the last 5 full seasons” tripe again….
Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 11:07 am
When we visit Uncle Ned at the home and he insists Aunt Peggy is still alive (she isn't), we just say "OK Uncle Ned." So OK Uncle Ned.
+1...arguing with someone who claims to have been 'a player'...and has , apparently inside information on the team is a long row to hoe...front Office (donkey) kissers can be relentless.
