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Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:45 pm**

alw80 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:40 pm
82birds wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:39 pm
icon wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:37 pm There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I disagree strongly with your last sentence.
Yep, Bloom has done more positive for the franchise in a few months than Mo had done in the last 10 years.

that is yet to be seen.

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:45 pm**

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:43 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:40 pm
82birds wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:39 pm
icon wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:37 pm There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name in they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I disagree strongly with your last sentence.
Yep, Bloom has done more positive for the franchise in a few months than Mo had done in the last 10 years.
What great positive has he done other than clearing BDW payroll obligations for question marks.
What player out of this offseason trade return is anyone confident being a solid MLB starter?

Prefer adding an Erik Fedde and calling it a winter?

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:46 pm**

The Cardinals got quantity over quality for prospects yet again.

2 OF prospects that signed for under slot and haven't hit in the minors, plus an under 6 ft tall RH pitcher, which almost always means future reliever.

The Comp B draft pick is effectively a 3rd round draft pick, so meh.

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:48 pm**

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:24 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:20 pm I’ll wait until we get all the confirmed deals and hopefully some smart person on CT will calculated the trade values so we can see the math behind this deal. But I am feeling really, really disappointed. Partially because my expectations were probably too high; partially because I hate to see Donovan go and mainly because I don’t see this deal helping our offense in the near future.

I’ll now go to my room and continue my pity party.
BTV has Cardinals getting 32.1 while giving up 30.7 in Donovan.

Thanks

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:48 pm**

Absolut wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:45 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:43 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:40 pm
82birds wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:39 pm
icon wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:37 pm There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name in they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I disagree strongly with your last sentence.
Yep, Bloom has done more positive for the franchise in a few months than Mo had done in the last 10 years.
What great positive has he done other than clearing BDW payroll obligations for question marks.
What player out of this offseason trade return is anyone confident being a solid MLB starter?
Prefer adding an Erik Fedde and calling it a winter?

I prefer getting some stud players…….is this asking too much…..middling rehab projects fits in well to this organizations overall losing mentality

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:49 pm**

Everyone seems to be commenting without viewing the ENTIRE trade .

The Cardinals are also getting Seattle's Round B Competivie Balance pick in the 2026 draft . It's the FIRST pick immediately after the 2nd round .
A good move by Bloom .

The Seattle Mariners were awarded the second pick in Competitive Balance Round B for the 2026 MLB Draft. This pick, which is the 70th selection overall, will take place immediately following the second round of the draft. The 2026 Draft is scheduled to start on Saturday, July 11, 2026

So the final trade seems to be Cijntje, Peete, Ledbetter (from Rays) and Seattles 70th pick (right after Round 2 ) .

Many posters were griping without knowing the full trade. Typical knee jerk reactions. Can't wait for all the full details of the trade.

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:49 pm**

ramfandan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:36 pm Cardinals get Rays 24th ranked pick ... Colton Ledbetter in the deal too ..

Ledbetter has no one oustanding tool but very good all around OF player. Nice addition to the trade .

Cijntje had a 2.67 ERA over his first 33 innings at AA last season.

Ledbetter also stole 37 bases at AA last season.

If they both start at AAA this season and keep improving or at least carry those numbers up the ladder ... meh, I guess we'll see.

Would have preferred a single top-30 prospect for Donny but, with the accumulation of talent Bloom's brought in, hopefully a few of them hit. Of course, with this org, who the h*ll knows...

ramfandan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:49 pm So the final trade seems to be Cijntje, Peete, Ledbetter (from Rays) and Seattles 70th pick (right after Round 2 ) .

There's also a 1st-rounder from Seattle, isn't there?

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:50 pm**

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:48 pm
Absolut wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:45 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:43 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:40 pm
82birds wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:39 pm
icon wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:37 pm There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name in they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I disagree strongly with your last sentence.
Yep, Bloom has done more positive for the franchise in a few months than Mo had done in the last 10 years.
What great positive has he done other than clearing BDW payroll obligations for question marks.
What player out of this offseason trade return is anyone confident being a solid MLB starter?
Prefer adding an Erik Fedde and calling it a winter?
I prefer getting some stud players…….is this asking too much…..middling rehab projects fits in well to this organizations overall losing mentality

What did we have to get that return?

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:50 pm**

or as someone else posted , cards got 2 first round picks, 1 second round pick and a draft pick....right?

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:50 pm**

It seems like a fair trade for Donovan. Cijntje has been out there from the beginning. Other names or wants have been tossed around. Montes, Arroyo have been mentioned but we end up with Peete and Ledbetter. I was hoping for a Comp A pick (top 50) but end up with a Comp B pick (top 75).

Cijntje is a top 100 prospect. Peete has had some struggles but has some tools. Ledbetter is a lottery ticket and the Comp B pick allows us a shot at a pretty good player. As Crav said that gives us 5 picks in the top 85. The kind of return we should actually receive.

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:51 pm**

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:48 pm
Absolut wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:45 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:43 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:40 pm
82birds wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:39 pm
icon wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:37 pm There may be a carnival barker outside Busch yelling: "Come and see it -- the man who pitches with both arms!"

Knowing the Cardinals and the marketing aspect, they will forbid him from giving up pitching with both arms. Remember the Navy guy who was here just because he was a Navy guy? And Nootbaar, the guy with the cute name in they hang on to forever and a day.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I disagree strongly with your last sentence.
Yep, Bloom has done more positive for the franchise in a few months than Mo had done in the last 10 years.
What great positive has he done other than clearing BDW payroll obligations for question marks.
What player out of this offseason trade return is anyone confident being a solid MLB starter?
Prefer adding an Erik Fedde and calling it a winter?
I prefer getting some stud players…….is this asking too much…..middling rehab projects fits in well to this organizations overall losing mentality

What studs were available for BD?

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:51 pm**

Shady, are you ok? I know you were saying that Donny would get us a TOR pitcher and/or a MOTO hitter. How do these players compare to what you were campaigning for?

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:53 pm**

zoiks wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:46 pm The Cardinals got quantity over quality for prospects yet again.

2 OF prospects that signed for under slot and haven't hit in the minors, plus an under 6 ft tall RH pitcher, which almost always means future reliever.

Sonny Gray was 5-11
Marcus Stroman (5'7"): A 2-time All-Star, Gold Glove winner, and one of the most successful short pitchers in recent history.
Tim Lincecum (5'11"): Two-time Cy Young winner, known for his incredible power and velocity.
Billy Wagner (5'10"): One of the most dominant left-handed relief pitchers in MLB history.
Pedro Martinez (5'11"): Widely considered one of the best pitchers to ever play, regardless of height.
Sonny Gray (5'11"): A consistent, high-performing starting pitcher.
Johnny Cueto (5'10"): A durable starter with a very high pitch count in his prime.
Marcus Stroman (5'7") is significantly shorter than the league average, proving that shorter players can succeed in the major leagues.
Historical and Other Notable Short Pitchers
Whitey Ford (5'10")
Ron Guidry (5'11")
Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown (5'10")
Roy Oswalt (5'11")
Fernando Rodney (5'11")
Craig Kimbrel (5'11")
David Robertson (5'11")

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:53 pm**

82birds wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:34 pm Ledbetter and comp pick to Seattle or STL?
anybody see if it is indeed STL?

MLBTR finally updated their story and answered my question.

The Cardinals send infielder/outfielder Brendan Donovan to the Mariners, getting prospects Jurrangelo Cijntje and Tai Peete from the Mariners, as well as receiving outfield prospect Colton Ledbetter and a competitive balance round B pick (#72 overall) from the Rays.

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:54 pm**

craviduce wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:21 pm I'd like to give an attaboy to KYACE.....he's posted for 9 months, about the Mariners and Cijntje and a Comp Pick...well before any pundit, journalist, fan, etc.

Good job, KYACE!!!!

Agreed! KYACE you nailed this one. Kudos to you.

Posted: **02 Feb 2026 17:54 pm**

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:53 pm
zoiks wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 17:46 pm The Cardinals got quantity over quality for prospects yet again.

2 OF prospects that signed for under slot and haven't hit in the minors, plus an under 6 ft tall RH pitcher, which almost always means future reliever.
Sonny Gray was 5-11
Marcus Stroman (5'7"): A 2-time All-Star, Gold Glove winner, and one of the most successful short pitchers in recent history.
Tim Lincecum (5'11"): Two-time Cy Young winner, known for his incredible power and velocity.
Billy Wagner (5'10"): One of the most dominant left-handed relief pitchers in MLB history.
Pedro Martinez (5'11"): Widely considered one of the best pitchers to ever play, regardless of height.
Sonny Gray (5'11"): A consistent, high-performing starting pitcher.
Johnny Cueto (5'10"): A durable starter with a very high pitch count in his prime.
Marcus Stroman (5'7") is significantly shorter than the league average, proving that shorter players can succeed in the major leagues.
Historical and Other Notable Short Pitchers
Whitey Ford (5'10")
Ron Guidry (5'11")
Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown (5'10")
Roy Oswalt (5'11")
Fernando Rodney (5'11")
Craig Kimbrel (5'11")
David Robertson (5'11")

Gray was listed at 5’11!

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