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Cranny wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:16 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

You're underplaying his power potential, rock. Look at his minor league HR record. And don't try to display the power in his short time at the ML level because he's just a kid.

No I'm not underplaying anything cranny

He's managed only three (3) home runs in 347 major league PA's, he has no power.

I can show you hundreds of minor league players who hit way more than his 26 during his 2023 season split between AA/AAA who never saw that translate to MLB.

347 MLB PA's is a solid sample size, he has no HR power.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

I like Burleson's durability, so far. Don't you? I remember, one game, he got nailed on the foot. I believe they took him out of that game for precautionary measures. He was back in there the next game. Would all of the players have made such a fast recovery?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

Shady is 100% trolling you guys Rock. He gets up in the morning, cracks a cold Bud, and the games begin.

2ninr wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

Shady is 100% trolling you guys Rock. He gets up in the morning, cracks a cold Bud, and the games begin.

Deny is you choose to. But you are one the many that are obsessed with Shady's posts.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

I like Burleson's durability, so far. Don't you? I remember, one game, he got nailed on the foot. I believe they took him out of that game for precautionary measures. He was back in there the next game. Would all of the players have made such a fast recovery?

I like him, how many times do you have to hear this?

He's a solid hitter but NOT a power hitter.

Hopefully he can get to the 25-30 HR level since we need more HR hitters.

2ninr wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

Shady is 100% trolling you guys Rock. He gets up in the morning, cracks a cold Bud, and the games begin.

You're right, I need to stay off his hamster wheel.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:47 am

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 18:00 pm He would be a short term fill in at third. He is barely passible at second and not good at short. Leaves DH or conversion to left field for Thomas. He could improve with the stick, but not enough to beat out anyone at either position.

But it's just your opinion. Saggese has a history of making good adjustments. Let's see how it goes for him.

I thought I was on ignore, please put me on your list. Thanks in advance.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

I like Burleson's durability, so far. Don't you? I remember, one game, he got nailed on the foot. I believe they took him out of that game for precautionary measures. He was back in there the next game. Would all of the players have made such a fast recovery?

You have a small point with AB, since they won't replace everyone some power
is better than no power. His "power" might one day be 25 HR range.

Yes durability should matter.

Inconsistent to me that some praise BD's hitting and are critical at the same time at AB.
They are very close.
BD hits a 1 HR every 50 PA's. He won't hit 25 HR. Both are slow.

IF SS, CF, and C don't offer much pop
then have to find it where you can and one of these guys should probably be dealt while
value is high. Nothing wrong with either player, just attempting to find spots to get both some speed
and some SLG. The Cards being 27th in TB without enough speed.


Saggese is connected more to Donovan than Arenado, IMO.
A utility player until he proves anything more, just as Donovan started. He can't have the bat knocked
out of his hands by MLB pitchers and be anything more than a utility.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:48 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:03 pm

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

Shady is 100% trolling you guys Rock. He gets up in the morning, cracks a cold Bud, and the games begin.

You're right, I need to stay off his hamster wheel.

Please ignore me. Let's see if you can.

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:02 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:47 am

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 18:00 pm He would be a short term fill in at third. He is barely passible at second and not good at short. Leaves DH or conversion to left field for Thomas. He could improve with the stick, but not enough to beat out anyone at either position.

But it's just your opinion. Saggese has a history of making good adjustments. Let's see how it goes for him.

I thought I was on ignore, please put me on your list. Thanks in advance.

I took all nitwits like you off ignore. It's no big deal to me how anybody chooses to post. I just wish disrespectful posters like you could/would ignore my posts. You are another that is obsessed.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:49 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:48 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:42 pm

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

Shady is 100% trolling you guys Rock. He gets up in the morning, cracks a cold Bud, and the games begin.

You're right, I need to stay off his hamster wheel.

Please ignore me. Let's see if you can.

And lose my "laugh of the day"?

(I only put a z z wipes on "ignore". You're a goofy little guy but you're not an a z z wipe)

Gorman is not the answer at 3rd. I think Bloom knows this and trades him this off season as part of another deal for a more capable player.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:49 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:48 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm Shady is 100% trolling you guys Rock. He gets up in the morning, cracks a cold Bud, and the games begin.

You're right, I need to stay off his hamster wheel.

Please ignore me. Let's see if you can.

Please stop spamming the forum with repetitive, inane threads just to get attention. Let’s see if you can.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:05 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:49 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:48 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm Shady is 100% trolling you guys Rock. He gets up in the morning, cracks a cold Bud, and the games begin.

You're right, I need to stay off his hamster wheel.

Please ignore me. Let's see if you can.

Please stop spamming the forum with repetitive, inane threads just to get attention. Let’s see if you can.

You have absolutely no obligation to ever read any of my posts. Let alone your middle school-type obsession of bashing them. There's plenty of positive interest and good interaction to most of my OPs/posts. Just get lost regarding anything to do with me.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:58 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:49 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:48 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:17 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:42 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:42 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 17:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 09:05 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 17:28 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 15:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 14:34 pm

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.

He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.

Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.

Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.

"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,

Good grief does your fandom for Bumbles have no limits?

Bumbles has hit 48 total HR's in 1,541 MLB PA's!

That's 1 HR in ever 32 PA's................kind of see where I'm going here?

I even caveated WillyC (... and to a lesser extent) who for his career is at 1 HR in ever 24.8 PA's or more frequently than Bumbles.

Burly is s solid hitter but he's NOT a power hitter.

As for Bumbles hitting more HR's the past two seasons, and you know this, WillyC missed considerable time in 2024 on playing in 84 games and hitting 35 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

And I. Hererra only played 72 games in 2024 and 107 this season while banging out 24 HR's vs Bumbles 39.

Burly played in 291 games those two seasons.

But you already knew this, right?

Shady is 100% trolling you guys Rock. He gets up in the morning, cracks a cold Bud, and the games begin.

You're right, I need to stay off his hamster wheel.

Please ignore me. Let's see if you can.

And lose my "laugh of the day"?

(I only put a z z wipes on "ignore". You're a goofy little guy but you're not an a z z wipe)

What's an a z z wipe, rock? Oh, wait, I get it now, it's a cute little misspelling of a disgusting term to get it by the mods.
Right?