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Re: Pitchers received from Sox

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Strummer Jones wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:11 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:05 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.
I like Dobbins, but I don't know if I'd say HUGE upside. He's a nice pitcher, though. I particularly like Fajardo. He's 19, but looks more poised than his age would suggest. He could be the best pitcher we got out of all the Sox guys.
Yea "huge" wasn't the right adjective for Dobbins who could be a solid #4 w/upside as a #3.

And you're right, Fajardo could be the key to that deal.
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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:30 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:22 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:17 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.
I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.
None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them
When my opinion of the worth of a certain player to Cardinals……becomes a monetized commodity and has any baring on the salaries and trade values of MLB players……I’ll share half with you OZ :lol: :lol: if you can honestly argue that WC and Sonny Gray could return no better than minor league pitcher with extensive injury history….who turns out AFTER the trade to need a surgery to fix an aneurysm/numb arm/blister issues in his pitching arm and a young kid with his SECOND ACL tear……may the force be you. To me it sound like salary dumps that went beyond salary dumps by send BOSTON large cash for very damaged goods
I’m just pointing out your opinion changes depending on whatever allows you to whine and complain about how awful and stupid the cardinals are. The cardinals sign a player you say they suck and are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for signing them they trade them suddenly you think they were good the contracts were fair and the cardinals are stupid because didn’t get a good enough return. It’s whatever allows you to whine and complain. And no he most likely could not have got a lot better for them you continuously ignore the fact that they had no trade clauses and had a limited number of teams they were willing to go to they also are aging and had large contracts. Of those limited number of teams they were willing to go to those teams would have had the need and desire to acquire them which not all did which further limits the trade options. You blatantly ignore those facts and the fact that teams will use that to limit the amount they will trade for a player just so you can whine and complain
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BrockFloodMaris wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:13 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:05 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.
Bloom obviously has taken a "high risk, high ceiling" strategy into roster building. I'm ok with it. Mo was a "low risk, high floor, low ceiling" guy. This roster needed an influx of power arms and power hitters. Bloom has brought them in. Again, I'm ok with the associated risk. It will take a re-calibration of perspective to get on board. There will be some washouts along the way, but the potential upside is much greater than a Mo roster. A roster made up of mostly AAAA guys cannot compete in MLB.
Correct
Clarke for example is a high ceiling prospect.
You probably DON’T get him if it isn’t for the injury concerns.
So...like you said...Bloom is gambling on a high ceiling prospect with a risk.
Works for me!
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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Yawn. Nothing’s ever right, is it Goldfan? Something is always wrong for you.
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Re: Pitchers received from Sox

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:38 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:30 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:22 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:17 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.
I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.
None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them
When my opinion of the worth of a certain player to Cardinals……becomes a monetized commodity and has any baring on the salaries and trade values of MLB players……I’ll share half with you OZ :lol: :lol: if you can honestly argue that WC and Sonny Gray could return no better than minor league pitcher with extensive injury history….who turns out AFTER the trade to need a surgery to fix an aneurysm/numb arm/blister issues in his pitching arm and a young kid with his SECOND ACL tear……may the force be you. To me it sound like salary dumps that went beyond salary dumps by send BOSTON large cash for very damaged goods
I’m just pointing out your opinion changes depending on whatever allows you to whine and complain about how awful and stupid the cardinals are. The cardinals sign a player you say they suck and are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for signing them they trade them suddenly you think they were good the contracts were fair and the cardinals are stupid because didn’t get a good enough return. It’s whatever allows you to whine and complain. And no he most likely could not have got a lot of them you continuously ignore the fact that they had no trade clauses and had a limited number of teams they were willing to go to they also are aging and had large contracts. Of those limited number of teams they were willing to go to those teams would have had the need and desire to acquire them which not all did which further limits the trade options. You blatantly ignore those facts and the fact that teams will use that to limit the amount they will trade for a player just so you can whine and complain
So if Clarke and Dobbins wash out…..you still believe that 28mil heading to Boston along with best hitter and SP was a good deal?
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:38 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:30 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:22 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:17 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.
I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.
None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them
When my opinion of the worth of a certain player to Cardinals……becomes a monetized commodity and has any baring on the salaries and trade values of MLB players……I’ll share half with you OZ :lol: :lol: if you can honestly argue that WC and Sonny Gray could return no better than minor league pitcher with extensive injury history….who turns out AFTER the trade to need a surgery to fix an aneurysm/numb arm/blister issues in his pitching arm and a young kid with his SECOND ACL tear……may the force be you. To me it sound like salary dumps that went beyond salary dumps by send BOSTON large cash for very damaged goods
I’m just pointing out your opinion changes depending on whatever allows you to whine and complain about how awful and stupid the cardinals are. The cardinals sign a player you say they suck and are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for signing them they trade them suddenly you think they were good the contracts were fair and the cardinals are stupid because didn’t get a good enough return. It’s whatever allows you to whine and complain. And no he most likely could not have got a lot better for them you continuously ignore the fact that they had no trade clauses and had a limited number of teams they were willing to go to they also are aging and had large contracts. Of those limited number of teams they were willing to go to those teams would have had the need and desire to acquire them which not all did which further limits the trade options. You blatantly ignore those facts and the fact that teams will use that to limit the amount they will trade for a player just so you can whine and complain
LMAO
Nailed it
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Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:40 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Yawn. Nothing’s ever right, is it Goldfan? Something is always wrong for you.
Cranny what’s “right” about this trade if Clarke and Dobbins are injury casualties? I was told 28mil had to go to Boston to Get this elite talent back, but the elite talent has some major injury question marks. In your mind no one can see this and criticize it?? This is off limits???
I’ve been cheering JJ and Baez this spring……where were you on those threads cheering right behind me???? Curiously absent anytime those POSITIVE threads pop up :lol: :lol: :lol: Goldfan ALWAYS negative :lol: :lol:
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Cusecards wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:44 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:38 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:30 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:22 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:17 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.
I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.
None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them
When my opinion of the worth of a certain player to Cardinals……becomes a monetized commodity and has any baring on the salaries and trade values of MLB players……I’ll share half with you OZ :lol: :lol: if you can honestly argue that WC and Sonny Gray could return no better than minor league pitcher with extensive injury history….who turns out AFTER the trade to need a surgery to fix an aneurysm/numb arm/blister issues in his pitching arm and a young kid with his SECOND ACL tear……may the force be you. To me it sound like salary dumps that went beyond salary dumps by send BOSTON large cash for very damaged goods
I’m just pointing out your opinion changes depending on whatever allows you to whine and complain about how awful and stupid the cardinals are. The cardinals sign a player you say they suck and are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for signing them they trade them suddenly you think they were good the contracts were fair and the cardinals are stupid because didn’t get a good enough return. It’s whatever allows you to whine and complain. And no he most likely could not have got a lot better for them you continuously ignore the fact that they had no trade clauses and had a limited number of teams they were willing to go to they also are aging and had large contracts. Of those limited number of teams they were willing to go to those teams would have had the need and desire to acquire them which not all did which further limits the trade options. You blatantly ignore those facts and the fact that teams will use that to limit the amount they will trade for a player just so you can whine and complain
LMAO
Nailed it
Cuse and OZ
“We sent Boston 28mil to get back upside prospects”
Point out those upside prospects have major injury issues
Cuse and OZ
“All you do is complain” :lol: :lol:
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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:48 am
Cusecards wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:44 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:38 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:30 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:22 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:17 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.
I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.
None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them
When my opinion of the worth of a certain player to Cardinals……becomes a monetized commodity and has any baring on the salaries and trade values of MLB players……I’ll share half with you OZ :lol: :lol: if you can honestly argue that WC and Sonny Gray could return no better than minor league pitcher with extensive injury history….who turns out AFTER the trade to need a surgery to fix an aneurysm/numb arm/blister issues in his pitching arm and a young kid with his SECOND ACL tear……may the force be you. To me it sound like salary dumps that went beyond salary dumps by send BOSTON large cash for very damaged goods
I’m just pointing out your opinion changes depending on whatever allows you to whine and complain about how awful and stupid the cardinals are. The cardinals sign a player you say they suck and are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for signing them they trade them suddenly you think they were good the contracts were fair and the cardinals are stupid because didn’t get a good enough return. It’s whatever allows you to whine and complain. And no he most likely could not have got a lot better for them you continuously ignore the fact that they had no trade clauses and had a limited number of teams they were willing to go to they also are aging and had large contracts. Of those limited number of teams they were willing to go to those teams would have had the need and desire to acquire them which not all did which further limits the trade options. You blatantly ignore those facts and the fact that teams will use that to limit the amount they will trade for a player just so you can whine and complain
LMAO
Nailed it
Cuse and OZ
“We sent Boston 28mil to get back upside prospects”
Point out those upside prospects have major injury issues
Cuse and OZ
“All you do is complain” :lol: :lol:
Ok 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:46 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:40 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Yawn. Nothing’s ever right, is it Goldfan? Something is always wrong for you.
Cranny what’s “right” about this trade if Clarke and Dobbins are injury casualties? I was told 28mil had to go to Boston to Get this elite talent back, but the elite talent has some major injury question marks. In your mind no one can see this and criticize it?? This is off limits???
I’ve been cheering JJ and Baez this spring……where were you on those threads cheering right behind me???? Curiously absent anytime those POSITIVE threads pop up :lol: :lol: :lol: Goldfan ALWAYS negative :lol: :lol:
I don't recall any analyst or poster here for that matter calling any prospect coming back as "elite"
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Adam2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:51 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:46 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:40 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Yawn. Nothing’s ever right, is it Goldfan? Something is always wrong for you.
Cranny what’s “right” about this trade if Clarke and Dobbins are injury casualties? I was told 28mil had to go to Boston to Get this elite talent back, but the elite talent has some major injury question marks. In your mind no one can see this and criticize it?? This is off limits???
I’ve been cheering JJ and Baez this spring……where were you on those threads cheering right behind me???? Curiously absent anytime those POSITIVE threads pop up :lol: :lol: :lol: Goldfan ALWAYS negative :lol: :lol:
I don't recall any analyst or poster here for that matter calling any prospect coming back as "elite"
What did Cards send 28mil to Boston for? WC and Gray contracts were fair market value, this wasn’t a NA situation
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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:53 am
Adam2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:51 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:46 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:40 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Yawn. Nothing’s ever right, is it Goldfan? Something is always wrong for you.
Cranny what’s “right” about this trade if Clarke and Dobbins are injury casualties? I was told 28mil had to go to Boston to Get this elite talent back, but the elite talent has some major injury question marks. In your mind no one can see this and criticize it?? This is off limits???
I’ve been cheering JJ and Baez this spring……where were you on those threads cheering right behind me???? Curiously absent anytime those POSITIVE threads pop up :lol: :lol: :lol: Goldfan ALWAYS negative :lol: :lol:
I don't recall any analyst or poster here for that matter calling any prospect coming back as "elite"
What did Cards send 28mil to Boston for? WC and Gray contracts were fair market value, this wasn’t a NA situation
Obviously to get money off the books. with the money they were owed, they were not that sought after on the trade market, hence the cards had to throw in all that money just to get anything in return at all. there was never a discussion of "elite" talent coming back. It was just to get lottery ticket type prospects.
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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:48 am
Cusecards wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:44 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:38 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:30 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:22 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:17 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Can’t argue with that. But I still believe it was an effort of power arm saturation with the intent of shaking one out.

Also in the deals you opened up second and third, neither to have a known player at this time.

It’s a strategy- like gambling.
I understand paying up for talent……but paying up for damaged goods looks a little questionable
Clarke’s injury is a significant one for a pitcher and Dobbins might have been dealt poor ACL genetics. These aren’t surefire TJ recoveries.
None of the players traded were going to bring back surefire talent so they had to gamble on high upside pitchers that were injured they hope will recover from them. Remember they traded players that you said sucked and weren’t worth their contracts for years. Until they were traded which you immediately then said they were actually good worth their contracts and bloom didn’t get enough for them
When my opinion of the worth of a certain player to Cardinals……becomes a monetized commodity and has any baring on the salaries and trade values of MLB players……I’ll share half with you OZ :lol: :lol: if you can honestly argue that WC and Sonny Gray could return no better than minor league pitcher with extensive injury history….who turns out AFTER the trade to need a surgery to fix an aneurysm/numb arm/blister issues in his pitching arm and a young kid with his SECOND ACL tear……may the force be you. To me it sound like salary dumps that went beyond salary dumps by send BOSTON large cash for very damaged goods
I’m just pointing out your opinion changes depending on whatever allows you to whine and complain about how awful and stupid the cardinals are. The cardinals sign a player you say they suck and are overpaid and the cardinals are stupid for signing them they trade them suddenly you think they were good the contracts were fair and the cardinals are stupid because didn’t get a good enough return. It’s whatever allows you to whine and complain. And no he most likely could not have got a lot better for them you continuously ignore the fact that they had no trade clauses and had a limited number of teams they were willing to go to they also are aging and had large contracts. Of those limited number of teams they were willing to go to those teams would have had the need and desire to acquire them which not all did which further limits the trade options. You blatantly ignore those facts and the fact that teams will use that to limit the amount they will trade for a player just so you can whine and complain
LMAO
Nailed it
Cuse and OZ
“We sent Boston 28mil to get back upside prospects”
Point out those upside prospects have major injury issues
Cuse and OZ
“All you do is complain” :lol: :lol:
Right and they sent that money to get the prospects they did which are high upside. They weren’t going to get back top tier sure fire prospects for them no matter how much they ate of the contract because of their age contracts and limited no trade clauses. Only a moron would think they could have got top tier prospects for them which of course would be you
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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:53 am
Adam2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:51 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:46 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:40 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Yawn. Nothing’s ever right, is it Goldfan? Something is always wrong for you.
Cranny what’s “right” about this trade if Clarke and Dobbins are injury casualties? I was told 28mil had to go to Boston to Get this elite talent back, but the elite talent has some major injury question marks. In your mind no one can see this and criticize it?? This is off limits???
I’ve been cheering JJ and Baez this spring……where were you on those threads cheering right behind me???? Curiously absent anytime those POSITIVE threads pop up :lol: :lol: :lol: Goldfan ALWAYS negative :lol: :lol:
I don't recall any analyst or poster here for that matter calling any prospect coming back as "elite"
What did Cards send 28mil to Boston for? WC and Gray contracts were fair market value, this wasn’t a NA situation
lol so after whining and complaining for years how stupid the cardinals were for overpaying for them once they are traded now you whine and complain the contracts were fair market value? Hilarious
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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:24 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:23 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:13 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:05 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
To be fair GF he didn't "pay up".

WillyC & S. Gray were ordered salary dumps by BDWJr and Bloom got back five need arms for the major league and minor league pitching staffs.


Clarke/22 yrs old--HUGE upside (Top 10 Red Sox prospect) w/a 99 MPH fastball, known at the time of trade he wouldn't be ready until mid season

Dobbins/26 yrs old---HUGE upside as a starter, threw 5 inning simulated game just awaiting clearance to begin PFP

Fitts/25 yrs old---Should be the Cardinals #4 starter this year

They also got:
Yhoiker Fajardo (RHP): A 19-year-old prospect
&
Blake Aita (RHP): A 22-year-old minor-league pitcher.
Bloom obviously has taken a "high risk, high ceiling" strategy into roster building. I'm ok with it. Mo was a "low risk, high floor, low ceiling" guy. This roster needed an influx of power arms and power hitters. Bloom has brought them in. Again, I'm ok with the associated risk. It will take a re-calibration of perspective to get on board. There will be some washouts along the way, but the potential upside is much greater than a Mo roster. A roster made up of mostly AAAA guys cannot compete in MLB.
Same here BFM

Bloom has brought in power arms to the organization that was in desperate need of them.

Sure there's risk, just like there is w/every single pitcher!

If just one of these young starters makes it and becomes a #2 starter, then the deals were a success.
And Cards didn’t know about aneurysm and required surgery until AFTER he was traded.
Yeah, the injury histories are worrisome. They have some talent and can throw hard, but can they get and stay on the field? Carp turned out great, except when his career was cut short. There comes a time when you have to admit that it may not work out. We'll see, but they were far from sure things.You'd have thought that Bloom could have gotten some safer returns. Possibly some position players and then flipped them for pitching? Either way, they aren't signing any free agent talent which means barring some amazing minor league talent showing up that this team is dead in the water. If they happen to miss the playoffs by a few games, some will say how great of a rebuilding job while others will say it's a missed opportunity. And the argument goes on.
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Re: Pitchers received from Sox

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 11:11 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:53 am
Adam2 wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:51 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:46 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2026 10:40 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2026 09:11 am Clarke-out till at least June arm surgery

Dobbins-starting season on IL recovering from 2nd ACL surgery

Fitts-control issues sporting career 5.00ERA through ST so far.

Keep in mind Bloom “paid up” for these arms.
Yawn. Nothing’s ever right, is it Goldfan? Something is always wrong for you.
Cranny what’s “right” about this trade if Clarke and Dobbins are injury casualties? I was told 28mil had to go to Boston to Get this elite talent back, but the elite talent has some major injury question marks. In your mind no one can see this and criticize it?? This is off limits???
I’ve been cheering JJ and Baez this spring……where were you on those threads cheering right behind me???? Curiously absent anytime those POSITIVE threads pop up :lol: :lol: :lol: Goldfan ALWAYS negative :lol: :lol:
I don't recall any analyst or poster here for that matter calling any prospect coming back as "elite"
What did Cards send 28mil to Boston for? WC and Gray contracts were fair market value, this wasn’t a NA situation
lol so after whining and complaining for years how stupid the cardinals were for overpaying for them once they are traded now you whine and complain the contracts were fair market value? Hilarious
From this day forward any Comment Goldfan makes about a Player or their contract pertaining to the St. Louis Cardinals shall weigh over MLB in totality and in some cases render the Player VALUELESS and having 0 trade value…..It has been SAID. Carry on :lol: :lol: :lol: