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CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:38 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 am

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Thank you. Its like trying to explain something to a brick wall.

alw80 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:04 am

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:51 am

CCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:47 pm Stan Van Gundy: “I’d get rid of the draft. No draft. You still have the salary cap, if you want to go give Cooper Flagg $45 million a year coming out of college, do it, he’s a free agent. Everybody coming out is a free agent. With no draft, there’s no incentive to lose, there’s none at all.”

This is from an NBA point of view of course, but could it work in baseball? It certainly would alleviate the problem of the Dodgers and Yankees buying up all the talent. They system that's been in place forever is more akin to wage slavery than it is to free agency. Many players never get a chance to cash in on their talents because of it. Imagine taking all that time in the minor leagues, then getting to the majors and being injured in your first couple of seasons. I know there will be the argument that they have to learn their craft and that the minors is basically stacking up talent to be called up on a whim, but it's also screwing minor league players too. You could alleviate that by having a regular roster and a backup roster that could be accessed to at will on an as needed basis. I'm sure it would take a lot to work out the details and there would have to be no way around the salary cap, but there would be something in it for the players in that they wouldn't necessarily be stuck in the minors by teams that are unwilling or don't have a spot for them. The players would most likely come out better even with a salary cap. More players would make more money while younger. It would have to be a hard cap though with know loopholes or deferred money involved.

My solution should be a cap of $240 million, floor of $150 million. I would also add a clause that if a team fails to make the playoffs five straight years, MLB takes the club over to force a sale. The previous owner gets the proceeds but has no control over the sale.

The only exceptions would be for expansion teams or a team who was impacted by tragedy (such as the KHL hockey team who lost almost their entire team in a plane crash).

The NBA has a cap and floor and multiple teams still tank.

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 09:26 am

alw80 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:04 am

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:51 am

CCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:47 pm Stan Van Gundy: “I’d get rid of the draft. No draft. You still have the salary cap, if you want to go give Cooper Flagg $45 million a year coming out of college, do it, he’s a free agent. Everybody coming out is a free agent. With no draft, there’s no incentive to lose, there’s none at all.”

This is from an NBA point of view of course, but could it work in baseball? It certainly would alleviate the problem of the Dodgers and Yankees buying up all the talent. They system that's been in place forever is more akin to wage slavery than it is to free agency. Many players never get a chance to cash in on their talents because of it. Imagine taking all that time in the minor leagues, then getting to the majors and being injured in your first couple of seasons. I know there will be the argument that they have to learn their craft and that the minors is basically stacking up talent to be called up on a whim, but it's also screwing minor league players too. You could alleviate that by having a regular roster and a backup roster that could be accessed to at will on an as needed basis. I'm sure it would take a lot to work out the details and there would have to be no way around the salary cap, but there would be something in it for the players in that they wouldn't necessarily be stuck in the minors by teams that are unwilling or don't have a spot for them. The players would most likely come out better even with a salary cap. More players would make more money while younger. It would have to be a hard cap though with know loopholes or deferred money involved.

My solution should be a cap of $240 million, floor of $150 million. I would also add a clause that if a team fails to make the playoffs five straight years, MLB takes the club over to force a sale. The previous owner gets the proceeds but has no control over the sale.

The only exceptions would be for expansion teams or a team who was impacted by tragedy (such as the KHL hockey team who lost almost their entire team in a plane crash).

The NBA has a cap and floor and multiple teams still tank.

They don’t force owners to sell who don’t show a commitment to competing, that was a big part of my suggestion above.

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 09:48 am

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

I don't think any team is deliberately losing.....

the cards are taking an alternative approach to operating their franchise........that can take time and may result in shots term less than desirable results on the field...

but every young player on the cards roster wants to stay in the major leagues...no one is striking out on purpose to ensure losing...

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:41 am

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

The model in baseball is recycling your best players for prospects. That isn't tanking.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 am

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:51 am

CCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:47 pm Stan Van Gundy: “I’d get rid of the draft. No draft. You still have the salary cap, if you want to go give Cooper Flagg $45 million a year coming out of college, do it, he’s a free agent. Everybody coming out is a free agent. With no draft, there’s no incentive to lose, there’s none at all.”

This is from an NBA point of view of course, but could it work in baseball? It certainly would alleviate the problem of the Dodgers and Yankees buying up all the talent. They system that's been in place forever is more akin to wage slavery than it is to free agency. Many players never get a chance to cash in on their talents because of it. Imagine taking all that time in the minor leagues, then getting to the majors and being injured in your first couple of seasons. I know there will be the argument that they have to learn their craft and that the minors is basically stacking up talent to be called up on a whim, but it's also screwing minor league players too. You could alleviate that by having a regular roster and a backup roster that could be accessed to at will on an as needed basis. I'm sure it would take a lot to work out the details and there would have to be no way around the salary cap, but there would be something in it for the players in that they wouldn't necessarily be stuck in the minors by teams that are unwilling or don't have a spot for them. The players would most likely come out better even with a salary cap. More players would make more money while younger. It would have to be a hard cap though with know loopholes or deferred money involved.

My solution should be a cap of $240 million, floor of $150 million. I would also add a clause that if a team fails to make the playoffs five straight years, MLB takes the club over to force a sale. The previous owner gets the proceeds but has no control over the sale.

The only exceptions would be for expansion teams or a team who was impacted by tragedy (such as the KHL hockey team who lost almost their entire team in a plane crash).

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 am

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 am

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:02 pm

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 am

CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

The difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nfl

A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…

A great running back plays immediately in the nfl

The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……

You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….