The solution to tanking?

[Jeff Goldblum]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

The model in baseball is recycling your best players for prospects. That isn't tanking.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Thank you. Its like trying to explain something to a brick wall.

Just another brick in the wall. We don’t need no….

[Stlcardsblues]

Stan Van Gundy: “I’d get rid of the draft. No draft. You still have the salary cap, if you want to go give Cooper Flagg $45 million a year coming out of college, do it, he’s a free agent. Everybody coming out is a free agent. With no draft, there’s no incentive to lose, there’s none at all.”

This is from an NBA point of view of course, but could it work in baseball? It certainly would alleviate the problem of the Dodgers and Yankees buying up all the talent. They system that's been in place forever is more akin to wage slavery than it is to free agency. Many players never get a chance to cash in on their talents because of it. Imagine taking all that time in the minor leagues, then getting to the majors and being injured in your first couple of seasons. I know there will be the argument that they have to learn their craft and that the minors is basically stacking up talent to be called up on a whim, but it's also screwing minor league players too. You could alleviate that by having a regular roster and a backup roster that could be accessed to at will on an as needed basis. I'm sure it would take a lot to work out the details and there would have to be no way around the salary cap, but there would be something in it for the players in that they wouldn't necessarily be stuck in the minors by teams that are unwilling or don't have a spot for them. The players would most likely come out better even with a salary cap. More players would make more money while younger. It would have to be a hard cap though with know loopholes or deferred money involved.

My solution should be a cap of $240 million, floor of $150 million. I would also add a clause that if a team fails to make the playoffs five straight years, MLB takes the club over to force a sale. The previous owner gets the proceeds but has no control over the sale.

The only exceptions would be for expansion teams or a team who was impacted by tragedy (such as the KHL hockey team who lost almost their entire team in a plane crash).

The NBA has a cap and floor and multiple teams still tank.

They don’t force owners to sell who don’t show a commitment to competing, that was a big part of my suggestion above.

[alw80]

Stan Van Gundy: “I’d get rid of the draft. No draft. You still have the salary cap, if you want to go give Cooper Flagg $45 million a year coming out of college, do it, he’s a free agent. Everybody coming out is a free agent. With no draft, there’s no incentive to lose, there’s none at all.”

This is from an NBA point of view of course, but could it work in baseball? It certainly would alleviate the problem of the Dodgers and Yankees buying up all the talent. They system that's been in place forever is more akin to wage slavery than it is to free agency. Many players never get a chance to cash in on their talents because of it. Imagine taking all that time in the minor leagues, then getting to the majors and being injured in your first couple of seasons. I know there will be the argument that they have to learn their craft and that the minors is basically stacking up talent to be called up on a whim, but it's also screwing minor league players too. You could alleviate that by having a regular roster and a backup roster that could be accessed to at will on an as needed basis. I'm sure it would take a lot to work out the details and there would have to be no way around the salary cap, but there would be something in it for the players in that they wouldn't necessarily be stuck in the minors by teams that are unwilling or don't have a spot for them. The players would most likely come out better even with a salary cap. More players would make more money while younger. It would have to be a hard cap though with know loopholes or deferred money involved.

My solution should be a cap of $240 million, floor of $150 million. I would also add a clause that if a team fails to make the playoffs five straight years, MLB takes the club over to force a sale. The previous owner gets the proceeds but has no control over the sale.

The only exceptions would be for expansion teams or a team who was impacted by tragedy (such as the KHL hockey team who lost almost their entire team in a plane crash).

The NBA has a cap and floor and multiple teams still tank.

They don’t force owners to sell who don’t show a commitment to competing, that was a big part of my suggestion above.

That's just not going to happen.

[Cardinals4Life]

Here's a random idea..........

How about make a cap and a floor. Draft order then is based on performance. You win the World Series, you get the 1st pick. Reward teams for trying to compete - after all, that's whay professional sports were created for in the first place! Tanking wouldn't get you anything, except the worst pick.

Just a thought. Haven't considered the pros and cons really. But I guess it is more of a capitalist mindset than a socialist one.

[45s]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

I don't think any team is deliberately losing.....

the cards are taking an alternative approach to operating their franchise........that can take time and may result in shots term less than desirable results on the field...

but every young player on the cards roster wants to stay in the major leagues...no one is striking out on purpose to ensure losing...

[CCard]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

I don't think any team is deliberately losing.....

the cards are taking an alternative approach to operating their franchise........that can take time and may result in shots term less than desirable results on the field...

but every young player on the cards roster wants to stay in the major leagues...no one is striking out on purpose to ensure losing...

A teams ownership and front office have a duty to the fans to put a product on the field that has a chance to win. Gutting payroll and refusing to replace top talent with something similar, in my opinion, is a deliberate plan to lose. Asking fans to lay down hard earned money to watch a less than adequate roster struggle through a season while not doing everything they could to improve the team is a slap in the face to the fans that support the team.There have been numerous recent signings that would have immensely helped the team, yet they stand pat and probably look to trade the few remaining vets they have. A recipe for disaster. Can you honestly say that they shouldn't sign some of this one year talent as a stopgap?

[CCard]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

The model in baseball is recycling your best players for prospects. That isn't tanking.

Gutting your payroll, trading your top talent and not replacing it with adequate talent IS tanking. Deliberately planning to fail is tanking.

[CCard]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

[CCard]

Stan Van Gundy: “I’d get rid of the draft. No draft. You still have the salary cap, if you want to go give Cooper Flagg $45 million a year coming out of college, do it, he’s a free agent. Everybody coming out is a free agent. With no draft, there’s no incentive to lose, there’s none at all.”

This is from an NBA point of view of course, but could it work in baseball? It certainly would alleviate the problem of the Dodgers and Yankees buying up all the talent. They system that's been in place forever is more akin to wage slavery than it is to free agency. Many players never get a chance to cash in on their talents because of it. Imagine taking all that time in the minor leagues, then getting to the majors and being injured in your first couple of seasons. I know there will be the argument that they have to learn their craft and that the minors is basically stacking up talent to be called up on a whim, but it's also screwing minor league players too. You could alleviate that by having a regular roster and a backup roster that could be accessed to at will on an as needed basis. I'm sure it would take a lot to work out the details and there would have to be no way around the salary cap, but there would be something in it for the players in that they wouldn't necessarily be stuck in the minors by teams that are unwilling or don't have a spot for them. The players would most likely come out better even with a salary cap. More players would make more money while younger. It would have to be a hard cap though with know loopholes or deferred money involved.

My solution should be a cap of $240 million, floor of $150 million. I would also add a clause that if a team fails to make the playoffs five straight years, MLB takes the club over to force a sale. The previous owner gets the proceeds but has no control over the sale.

The only exceptions would be for expansion teams or a team who was impacted by tragedy (such as the KHL hockey team who lost almost their entire team in a plane crash).

Sounds like an idea. Definitely need a floor. I would say that it would have to be adjustable for inflation though. I wouldn't even mind a relegation scheme like they have in soccer. If your team doesn't win without a certain amount of time they get relegated to a lower league. I doubt anything like that will ever come about but it does spice things up in soccer.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

Why do the NBA and NHL have a draft lottery and the NFL and MLB do not?

[45s]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

The difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nfl

A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…

A great running back plays immediately in the nfl

The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……

You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….

[Cardinals1964]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

I’m glad they are “tanking”.

[Cardinals1964]

Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.

Once again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.

Tanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.

Teams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.

The difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nfl

A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…

A great running back plays immediately in the nfl

The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……

You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….

Some drafts are weaker than others, too. Skenes and Harper to name a few. Not only do you have to tank, you better win the top pick in the lottery in the year these generational players are in the draft. Then there’s the little dilemma that you can’t keep drafting in the top 6 year after year. You won’t get a Skene or Harper with a 7–10 pick.

[RamFan08NY]

My gosh. When do the "tanking" folks give it a rest? How many threads are needed to try and convince others that they are "trying to lose"?

Its a given, with any sport, and business. You usually have to take a few steps backwards to turn the ship around.

[alw80]

The problem in baseball is owners who pocket their revenue sharing money instead of putting it into the team, it isn't tanking or the Dodgers.