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JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:14 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:04 pm If that is how they want to spin it, so be it. BDW let Johnny bow ties drive the franchise into the Mississippi. Bill didn't realize how much the roster and development was slipping because he was counting the $$.

Now, the turnstiles have slowed, seats are empty, and beer sales have plummeted. Now old Billy is taking notice. So he has slashed payroll and given the reigns to a guy experienced in building cheap rosters. Make no mistake, this change of course is about making $. Winning is a distant secondary thought.

I always make business decisions to lose cash. Guess that’s why I’m broke.

If Billy built a real roster, they'd win and make $. Not hard to understand.

and if you owned the club, you could do that….

he’s chosen a different path…

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:14 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:04 pm If that is how they want to spin it, so be it. BDW let Johnny bow ties drive the franchise into the Mississippi. Bill didn't realize how much the roster and development was slipping because he was counting the $$.

Now, the turnstiles have slowed, seats are empty, and beer sales have plummeted. Now old Billy is taking notice. So he has slashed payroll and given the reigns to a guy experienced in building cheap rosters. Make no mistake, this change of course is about making $. Winning is a distant secondary thought.

I always make business decisions to lose cash. Guess that’s why I’m broke.

If Billy built a real roster, they'd win and make $. Not hard to understand.

Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm
Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

I don't have any idea how much, but I do know that "Bill" has not made that much. The owners in total may have made that much. I have no idea how many there are today, but at one time they numbered about 30.

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:26 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm
Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

I don't have any idea how much, but I do know that "Bill" has not made that much. The owners in total may have made that much. I have no idea how many there are today, but at one time they numbered about 30.

He bought the team for little over $100 million. It’s now worth $2.5 Billion. Not hard to figure out.

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:14 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:04 pm If that is how they want to spin it, so be it. BDW let Johnny bow ties drive the franchise into the Mississippi. Bill didn't realize how much the roster and development was slipping because he was counting the $$.

Now, the turnstiles have slowed, seats are empty, and beer sales have plummeted. Now old Billy is taking notice. So he has slashed payroll and given the reigns to a guy experienced in building cheap rosters. Make no mistake, this change of course is about making $. Winning is a distant secondary thought.

I always make business decisions to lose cash. Guess that’s why I’m broke.

If Billy built a real roster, they'd win and make $. Not hard to understand.

Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

That $ was made when he actually tried to win. He got complacent and allowed Mo to ruin it. Now go schedule a bobble head night, Girsch.

45s wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:17 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:14 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:04 pm If that is how they want to spin it, so be it. BDW let Johnny bow ties drive the franchise into the Mississippi. Bill didn't realize how much the roster and development was slipping because he was counting the $$.

Now, the turnstiles have slowed, seats are empty, and beer sales have plummeted. Now old Billy is taking notice. So he has slashed payroll and given the reigns to a guy experienced in building cheap rosters. Make no mistake, this change of course is about making $. Winning is a distant secondary thought.

I always make business decisions to lose cash. Guess that’s why I’m broke.

If Billy built a real roster, they'd win and make $. Not hard to understand.

and if you owned the club, you could do that….

he’s chosen a different path…

And you can enjoy 70 win seasons. I don't.

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:14 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:04 pm If that is how they want to spin it, so be it. BDW let Johnny bow ties drive the franchise into the Mississippi. Bill didn't realize how much the roster and development was slipping because he was counting the $$.

Now, the turnstiles have slowed, seats are empty, and beer sales have plummeted. Now old Billy is taking notice. So he has slashed payroll and given the reigns to a guy experienced in building cheap rosters. Make no mistake, this change of course is about making $. Winning is a distant secondary thought.

I always make business decisions to lose cash. Guess that’s why I’m broke.

If Billy built a real roster, they'd win and make $. Not hard to understand.

Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

You are correct -- profit not yet realized but profit none the less.

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:28 pm

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:26 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm
Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

I don't have any idea how much, but I do know that "Bill" has not made that much. The owners in total may have made that much. I have no idea how many there are today, but at one time they numbered about 30.

He bought the team for little over $100 million. It’s now worth $2.5 Billion. Not hard to figure out.

If you buy a house for $400K, put 200K into it, and with a bit of market appreciation Zillow tells you it’s worth $750K, have you made $350K? You still live in the house.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 22:24 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:28 pm

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:26 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm
Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

I don't have any idea how much, but I do know that "Bill" has not made that much. The owners in total may have made that much. I have no idea how many there are today, but at one time they numbered about 30.

He bought the team for little over $100 million. It’s now worth $2.5 Billion. Not hard to figure out.

If you buy a house for $400K, put 200K into it, and with a bit of market appreciation Zillow tells you it’s worth $750K, have you made $350K? You still live in the house.

not apples for apples --- you don't make money selling tix for people to come to your house for some kind of profitable activity.... if you do... ... i digress. the cardinals made money each year to cover expenses so in this example they have made closer to $2 billion than not.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 16:44 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 13:39 pm McGreevy was interviewed at TC . He mentioned former Cardinal P Lance Lynn called the Cardinals new transition as 'the Build' .

So for some , we may not be in a 'rebuild' just simply a 'build' moment. Like 'build' it and they will come ! lol
Get a chuckle over the semantics used to describe it . Does it make any difference what this new phase is called ?


https://www.101espn.com/episode/cardina ... cgreevy-2/

Look at who they traded:
1. Gray 36 years old / 1 year left: That is not a big loss.
2. Arenado: Not a big loss. Actually, him being traded might be a GAIN for the roster.
3. Contreras: Love him, but only 2 years left and plays 1B (which is a little easier to fill)
4. Donovan: Love him, but only 2 years left on his deal and probably not worth an extension. Not to mention JJ is almost here.

That is the most modest teardown in a 'rebuild' I have ever seen.

They are already in 'build' mode.

You are looking at it wrong. We don't replace their future value - We need to replace those guys production - at their Cardinal peaks and that's just to get back to 80something wins.

Gray - 18 games over .500 when he started
Nado - 3rd runner up to MVP, perrenial GG version of him
Donovan - 4 WAR as rookie, AS
Willson - team HR leader
Helsley - the 45 save version

then we need to go back and replace Goldy - the 100+ RBI version of him, and Pujols .900 OPS as DH, and Wainwright, the CY runner up version. Not to mention get a manager like Tony who demands excellence and silently motivates the whole team to work harder.

Do this and we can be good again. But we aren't going to get to this level with starters like Noot, Gorman, Pages and Oli as manager.

greyhawk wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 22:22 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:14 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:04 pm If that is how they want to spin it, so be it. BDW let Johnny bow ties drive the franchise into the Mississippi. Bill didn't realize how much the roster and development was slipping because he was counting the $$.

Now, the turnstiles have slowed, seats are empty, and beer sales have plummeted. Now old Billy is taking notice. So he has slashed payroll and given the reigns to a guy experienced in building cheap rosters. Make no mistake, this change of course is about making $. Winning is a distant secondary thought.

I always make business decisions to lose cash. Guess that’s why I’m broke.

If Billy built a real roster, they'd win and make $. Not hard to understand.

Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

You are correct -- profit not yet realized but profit none the less.

It’s like my house or any other investment. I bought my house in 2021. Didn’t do any upgrades. Now it’s worth twice as much. Was I a bad owner?

An Old Friend wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 22:24 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:28 pm

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:26 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm
Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

I don't have any idea how much, but I do know that "Bill" has not made that much. The owners in total may have made that much. I have no idea how many there are today, but at one time they numbered about 30.

He bought the team for little over $100 million. It’s now worth $2.5 Billion. Not hard to figure out.

If you buy a house for $400K, put 200K into it, and with a bit of market appreciation Zillow tells you it’s worth $750K, have you made $350K? You still live in the house.

Billy didn’t put in $2 billion. He put in $100 million. Spent enough on up keep on his property (maybe enough to break even every year) and realized a $2 billion profit. Not bad.

greyhawk wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 22:38 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 22:24 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:28 pm

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:26 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm
Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

I don't have any idea how much, but I do know that "Bill" has not made that much. The owners in total may have made that much. I have no idea how many there are today, but at one time they numbered about 30.

He bought the team for little over $100 million. It’s now worth $2.5 Billion. Not hard to figure out.

If you buy a house for $400K, put 200K into it, and with a bit of market appreciation Zillow tells you it’s worth $750K, have you made $350K? You still live in the house.

not apples for apples --- you don't make money selling tix for people to come to your house for some kind of profitable activity.... if you do... ... i digress. the cardinals made money each year to cover expenses so in this example they have made closer to $2 billion than not.

I sincerely doubt that DeWitt has claimed $2B in income on the Cardinals.

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 23:59 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 22:24 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:28 pm

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:26 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm
Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

I don't have any idea how much, but I do know that "Bill" has not made that much. The owners in total may have made that much. I have no idea how many there are today, but at one time they numbered about 30.

He bought the team for little over $100 million. It’s now worth $2.5 Billion. Not hard to figure out.

If you buy a house for $400K, put 200K into it, and with a bit of market appreciation Zillow tells you it’s worth $750K, have you made $350K? You still live in the house.

Billy didn’t put in $2 billion. He put in $100 million. Spent enough on up keep on his property (maybe enough to break even every year) and realized a $2 billion profit. Not bad.

They haven’t sold. How could he possibly have realized a $2B profit without selling the team?

He didn’t put in $100MM. You’re pretending that there’s no payroll or operating expenses. I don’t know why you’d do this.

This is just pure ignorance, honestly.

Case in point. The Dolphins are currently struggling. Owner Stephen Ross is not. Only a couple of weeks after he was reportedly looking to sell 15 percent of the team and other assets at a valuation of $7 billion, he’s reportedly selling 13 percent of the team and other assets at a valuation of $8.1 billion.

sell a portion and pocket a billion, (13 % of 8.1Bil)

An Old Friend wrote: ↑17 Feb 2026 15:41 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 23:59 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 22:24 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:28 pm

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:26 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 21:19 pm
Billy has made $2 Billion off the Cardinals since he bought them. He’s such an idiot.

I don't have any idea how much, but I do know that "Bill" has not made that much. The owners in total may have made that much. I have no idea how many there are today, but at one time they numbered about 30.

He bought the team for little over $100 million. It’s now worth $2.5 Billion. Not hard to figure out.

If you buy a house for $400K, put 200K into it, and with a bit of market appreciation Zillow tells you it’s worth $750K, have you made $350K? You still live in the house.

Billy didn’t put in $2 billion. He put in $100 million. Spent enough on up keep on his property (maybe enough to break even every year) and realized a $2 billion profit. Not bad.

They haven’t sold. How could he possibly have realized a $2B profit without selling the team?

He didn’t put in $100MM. You’re pretending that there’s no payroll or operating expenses. I don’t know why you’d do this.

This is just pure ignorance, honestly.

you also seem to be overlooking the operating revenues... ticket prices, parking, concessions, media rights and throw in ball park village now. the 2 billion is right where he wants it, invested in the product so while it is inherent wealth he isn't being taxed on potential or suggested capital gains.