Bloom never stated he had to be 'blown away ' to make a Donovan deal

[BrockFloodMaris]

So often in the past month or more, media stories on Donovan have a sentence stating Bloom will only trade Donovan if he is blown away by an offer.
The origin of that was reporter Katie Woo , former Cardinal insider now with LA Dodgers , who used that terminology in a report.
As soon as she printed her tweet or whatever, it spread like wildfire throughout the media . Other writers all used Katie's wording though she never claimed that Bloom said that . the 'blown away ' phrase expanded even to CT .
No doubt Bloom wishing a top notch return for Donovan but this 'blown away' may be embellshment . I worry that whatever a final trade would be that the 'blown away' publicity may have Cardinal fans upset .
The 'blown away' mindset giving super high expectations may have many fans citing 'Is that all we got for Donovan ? That return didn't 'blow me ' away at all.... or Geez, why did Bloom accept that . Thought he wanted much more for Donovan than that .

Maybe I am off base and putting too much into the 'blown away' comment by Katie Woo but it seems that phraseology has taken a life of its own in the Donovan situation and maybe has created false higher expectations than it should be .

Good points Dan. I also think that, by dangling Donnie, Noot and JoJo, Bloom is gauging what the rest of the league thinks they are worth. Mo placed a certain value on them, but until they are either traded or signed, we won’t know their true MLB value.

[82birds]

I think the smart section of our fan base understands that this is B. Donovan that C. Bloom is attempting to deal, not JJW.

While Donny is absolutely a good player and a piece that any contending team (including even the Dodgers) would love to have, his return isn't at "blown away" level.

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[Just Whit]

Do we really need a new Donovan thread every single day? When there is news of a real trade reported, then someone can post it, but seriously? Carry on, I am sure there will be a new thread tomorrow.....

So much attention to a guy who has done do little…

(It is at this point someone will exclaim….’All-Star”……..right….on this team)

An Astro fan complaining about topics on a Cards site? Get a life.

[hugeCardfan]

It's not a matter of "false higher expectations" its a matter of reality in that he doesn't move the needle for the bluebloods because they can bide their time and buy him nor does it for the smaller fish in the pond like the Cardinals looking to get max value out of the few real assets they have.

Thus you have an impasse.

Let's just hope the Cardinals haven't put themselves in a box over estimating their anticipated get for Donovan and wind up having to settle for less.

Don't see the circumstances for "have to settle". Donovan is the kind of player you keep until someone proffers someone we want more.

If you wait until his control years run out or run short then where are you?

The bluebloods can wait and sign him and the similar market teams to the Cardinals are looking to also cash in so there are certainly ways they may wind up getting less than hoped for.

I don't know, but, Donovan is a known quantity so I'd rather play him than ever feel like "having to settle". By the end of '26 we should have a better feel how long it will take to be competitive. If we think that might be '27 then we may be less likely to want him to leave. Donovan is not the kind of player we cannot afford to extend. Our payroll is miniscule and we should be willing to pay what he's worth. Perhaps it will make him look even more attractive to the "bluebloods". I just don't foresee a "having to settle" scenario for Donovan.

[hugeCardfan]

It's not a matter of "false higher expectations" its a matter of reality in that he doesn't move the needle for the bluebloods because they can bide their time and buy him nor does it for the smaller fish in the pond like the Cardinals looking to get max value out of the few real assets they have.

Thus you have an impasse.

Let's just hope the Cardinals haven't put themselves in a box over estimating their anticipated get for Donovan and wind up having to settle for less.

Don't see the circumstances for "have to settle". Donovan is the kind of player you keep until someone proffers someone we want more.

Agree
Unlike the other three that were dealt(older vets on downside of careers with high $$ contracts) Donovan is under team control for two seasons at a relatively bargain cost in $$.
So I could see where you’d set a realistic return and based on the time frame look for an “overpay”.
Again....I get that his value might be at a high point but still don’t see the necessity to deal him?
His cost in $$ based on his productivity is a bargain.

That's my sentiment. Worst case, no one proffers what we think he's worth and 2 years from now he won't extend and we decide to offer a QO. But that's after 2 years of a really good player and gets us a draft pick. Settle doesn't appeal to me at all....

[TopofthePerch]

It's not a matter of "false higher expectations" its a matter of reality in that he doesn't move the needle for the bluebloods because they can bide their time and buy him nor does it for the smaller fish in the pond like the Cardinals looking to get max value out of the few real assets they have.

Thus you have an impasse.

Let's just hope the Cardinals haven't put themselves in a box over estimating their anticipated get for Donovan and wind up having to settle for less.

Don't see the circumstances for "have to settle". Donovan is the kind of player you keep until someone proffers someone we want more.

Agree
Unlike the other three that were dealt(older vets on downside of careers with high $$ contracts) Donovan is under team control for two seasons at a relatively bargain cost in $$.
So I could see where you’d set a realistic return and based on the time frame look for an “overpay”.
Again....I get that his value might be at a high point but still don’t see the necessity to deal him?
His cost in $$ based on his productivity is a bargain.

That's my sentiment. Worst case, no one proffers what we think he's worth and 2 years from now he won't extend and we decide to offer a QO. But that's after 2 years of a really good player and gets us a draft pick. Settle doesn't appeal to me at all....

Pretty soon the wort case scenarios will come up for multiple teams. One if not more of those teams will cave and offer more rather than go with an unknown. We will then see if the offers were enough.

[Melville]

So often in the past month or more, media stories on Donovan have a sentence stating Bloom will only trade Donovan if he is blown away by an offer.
The origin of that was reporter Katie Woo , former Cardinal insider now with LA Dodgers , who used that terminology in a report.
As soon as she printed her tweet or whatever, it spread like wildfire throughout the media . Other writers all used Katie's wording though she never claimed that Bloom said that . the 'blown away ' phrase expanded even to CT .
No doubt Bloom wishing a top notch return for Donovan but this 'blown away' may be embellshment . I worry that whatever a final trade would be that the 'blown away' publicity may have Cardinal fans upset .
The 'blown away' mindset giving super high expectations may have many fans citing 'Is that all we got for Donovan ? That return didn't 'blow me ' away at all.... or Geez, why did Bloom accept that . Thought he wanted much more for Donovan than that .

Maybe I am off base and putting too much into the 'blown away' comment by Katie Woo but it seems that phraseology has taken a life of its own in the Donovan situation and maybe has created false higher expectations than it should be .

Everyone should be aware by this point in life that the worst source for information is the media.
Sports "reporting" is no exception.

[Carp4Cy]

It's not a matter of "false higher expectations" its a matter of reality in that he doesn't move the needle for the bluebloods because they can bide their time and buy him nor does it for the smaller fish in the pond like the Cardinals looking to get max value out of the few real assets they have.

Thus you have an impasse.

Let's just hope the Cardinals haven't put themselves in a box over estimating their anticipated get for Donovan and wind up having to settle for less.

Don't see the circumstances for "have to settle". Donovan is the kind of player you keep until someone proffers someone we want more.

Agree
Unlike the other three that were dealt(older vets on downside of careers with high $$ contracts) Donovan is under team control for two seasons at a relatively bargain cost in $$.
So I could see where you’d set a realistic return and based on the time frame look for an “overpay”.
Again....I get that his value might be at a high point but still don’t see the necessity to deal him?
His cost in $$ based on his productivity is a bargain.

A good analysis….

except, given the state of this club, his productivity is irrelevant…

Donovan or not, the club is still going to be well under .500

Sell High

They should sell high, but if they get no offers "high" enough, they should keep him.

Exactly. Its clear that Donny's market was never as hot plasma liquid as we were clickbaited into believing a few months back.

What if BD's theoretical trade value is 30, but say Bloom uses his internal statistics/evaluation to value BD higher, say 35, based on his projected future production/cost/value if we keep him longterm etc. And suppose that given his elite scouting and evaluation apparatus, he's correct.

But suppose his likely trade partners incorrectly value Donny closer to 25 based on their internal assumptions, and then the prospects they offer to get to that 25+ level, Bloom independently evaluates closer to 20, or he doesn't even expect some of them to succeed at all. This would create a significant gap, and if Bloom is right, and if the gap can't be closed, it could be a mistake to settle.

[okcardfan]

So often in the past month or more, media stories on Donovan have a sentence stating Bloom will only trade Donovan if he is blown away by an offer.
The origin of that was reporter Katie Woo , former Cardinal insider now with LA Dodgers , who used that terminology in a report.
As soon as she printed her tweet or whatever, it spread like wildfire throughout the media . Other writers all used Katie's wording though she never claimed that Bloom said that . the 'blown away ' phrase expanded even to CT .
No doubt Bloom wishing a top notch return for Donovan but this 'blown away' may be embellshment . I worry that whatever a final trade would be that the 'blown away' publicity may have Cardinal fans upset .
The 'blown away' mindset giving super high expectations may have many fans citing 'Is that all we got for Donovan ? That return didn't 'blow me ' away at all.... or Geez, why did Bloom accept that . Thought he wanted much more for Donovan than that .

Maybe I am off base and putting too much into the 'blown away' comment by Katie Woo but it seems that phraseology has taken a life of its own in the Donovan situation and maybe has created false higher expectations than it should be .

Everyone should be aware by this point in life that the worst source for information is the media.
Sports "reporting" is no exception.

Really? What's source do you prefer over the media?

Your generalization seems just a bit political.

[RichieRichSTL]

It's not a matter of "false higher expectations" its a matter of reality in that he doesn't move the needle for the bluebloods because they can bide their time and buy him nor does it for the smaller fish in the pond like the Cardinals looking to get max value out of the few real assets they have.

Thus you have an impasse.

Let's just hope the Cardinals haven't put themselves in a box over estimating their anticipated get for Donovan and wind up having to settle for less.

Don't see the circumstances for "have to settle". Donovan is the kind of player you keep until someone proffers someone we want more.

If you wait until his control years run out or run short then where are you?

The bluebloods can wait and sign him and the similar market teams to the Cardinals are looking to also cash in so there are certainly ways they may wind up getting less than hoped for.

I don't know, but, Donovan is a known quantity so I'd rather play him than ever feel like "having to settle". By the end of '26 we should have a better feel how long it will take to be competitive. If we think that might be '27 then we may be less likely to want him to leave. Donovan is not the kind of player we cannot afford to extend. Our payroll is miniscule and we should be willing to pay what he's worth. Perhaps it will make him look even more attractive to the "bluebloods". I just don't foresee a "having to settle" scenario for Donovan.

As a practical matter, I think they trade him or start working on an extension. He wont make a very mediocre team great. So, his complementary value wont hit until 2028 at earliest. In the meantime, if you hold onto him until we'll inti this season your return drops significantly.

Fedde was an obvious sell only. Donovan could go either way. But worst case scenario is be indecisive and lose him for nothing--a dumb*ss Mo like move.

[hugeCardfan]

It's not a matter of "false higher expectations" its a matter of reality in that he doesn't move the needle for the bluebloods because they can bide their time and buy him nor does it for the smaller fish in the pond like the Cardinals looking to get max value out of the few real assets they have.

Thus you have an impasse.

Let's just hope the Cardinals haven't put themselves in a box over estimating their anticipated get for Donovan and wind up having to settle for less.

Don't see the circumstances for "have to settle". Donovan is the kind of player you keep until someone proffers someone we want more.

If you wait until his control years run out or run short then where are you?

The bluebloods can wait and sign him and the similar market teams to the Cardinals are looking to also cash in so there are certainly ways they may wind up getting less than hoped for.

I don't know, but, Donovan is a known quantity so I'd rather play him than ever feel like "having to settle". By the end of '26 we should have a better feel how long it will take to be competitive. If we think that might be '27 then we may be less likely to want him to leave. Donovan is not the kind of player we cannot afford to extend. Our payroll is miniscule and we should be willing to pay what he's worth. Perhaps it will make him look even more attractive to the "bluebloods". I just don't foresee a "having to settle" scenario for Donovan.

As a practical matter, I think they trade him or start working on an extension. He wont make a very mediocre team great. So, his complementary value wont hit until 2028 at earliest. In the meantime, if you hold onto him until we'll inti this season your return drops significantly.

Fedde was an obvious sell only. Donovan could go either way. But worst case scenario is be indecisive and lose him for nothing--a dumb*ss Mo like move.

What is impractical is to "settle"; give away a ML star....not superstar... but bonafide star without reciprocity. Nobody thinks Donovan alone will make the Cardinals great the next 2 years. If we keep him, it should be to extend him to the point that he augments a competitive team. In the mean time, however, it might benefit the team to have players good enough to warrant baseball fans. St Louis really doesn't do 100 loss teams and we shouldn't start now. Either Chaim obtains real star potential for Donovan or he keeps him around. Period.

Chaim won't be indecisive. But, he won't "settle".

[Cardinals1964]

Bloom did say this on Sunday talking about Donovan.
Blown away? Maybe not. Really high value? Certainly.

"Those mentions are obviously understandable given just where we are and the things that we have been doing," Bloom said. "Obviously the player, the person. Everybody has heard me say all of the wonderful things that I have to say about him and none of those have obviously changed on-field/off-field. He's everything you'd want to have in your uniform. That's why we're placing a really high value on him and also doing our jobs and listening.

“obviously we'd place a pretty high price tag, given all of those things that I said about the player he is and how much he means to us.”

[RichieRichSTL]

It's not a matter of "false higher expectations" its a matter of reality in that he doesn't move the needle for the bluebloods because they can bide their time and buy him nor does it for the smaller fish in the pond like the Cardinals looking to get max value out of the few real assets they have.

Thus you have an impasse.

Let's just hope the Cardinals haven't put themselves in a box over estimating their anticipated get for Donovan and wind up having to settle for less.

Don't see the circumstances for "have to settle". Donovan is the kind of player you keep until someone proffers someone we want more.

If you wait until his control years run out or run short then where are you?

The bluebloods can wait and sign him and the similar market teams to the Cardinals are looking to also cash in so there are certainly ways they may wind up getting less than hoped for.

I don't know, but, Donovan is a known quantity so I'd rather play him than ever feel like "having to settle". By the end of '26 we should have a better feel how long it will take to be competitive. If we think that might be '27 then we may be less likely to want him to leave. Donovan is not the kind of player we cannot afford to extend. Our payroll is miniscule and we should be willing to pay what he's worth. Perhaps it will make him look even more attractive to the "bluebloods". I just don't foresee a "having to settle" scenario for Donovan.

As a practical matter, I think they trade him or start working on an extension. He wont make a very mediocre team great. So, his complementary value wont hit until 2028 at earliest. In the meantime, if you hold onto him until we'll inti this season your return drops significantly.

Fedde was an obvious sell only. Donovan could go either way. But worst case scenario is be indecisive and lose him for nothing--a dumb*ss Mo like move.

What is impractical is to "settle"; give away a ML star....not superstar... but bonafide star without reciprocity. Nobody thinks Donovan alone will make the Cardinals great the next 2 years. If we keep him, it should be to extend him to the point that he augments a competitive team. In the mean time, however, it might benefit the team to have players good enough to warrant baseball fans. St Louis really doesn't do 100 loss teams and we shouldn't start now. Either Chaim obtains real star potential for Donovan or he keeps him around. Period.

Chaim won't be indecisive. But, he won't "settle".

I'm saying if he decides not to trade him for whatever reason, they should probably extend him. I'm not saying they trade him regardless.

Having him walk means they wasted his talent only on bad teams

[Melville]

So often in the past month or more, media stories on Donovan have a sentence stating Bloom will only trade Donovan if he is blown away by an offer.
The origin of that was reporter Katie Woo , former Cardinal insider now with LA Dodgers , who used that terminology in a report.
As soon as she printed her tweet or whatever, it spread like wildfire throughout the media . Other writers all used Katie's wording though she never claimed that Bloom said that . the 'blown away ' phrase expanded even to CT .
No doubt Bloom wishing a top notch return for Donovan but this 'blown away' may be embellshment . I worry that whatever a final trade would be that the 'blown away' publicity may have Cardinal fans upset .
The 'blown away' mindset giving super high expectations may have many fans citing 'Is that all we got for Donovan ? That return didn't 'blow me ' away at all.... or Geez, why did Bloom accept that . Thought he wanted much more for Donovan than that .

Maybe I am off base and putting too much into the 'blown away' comment by Katie Woo but it seems that phraseology has taken a life of its own in the Donovan situation and maybe has created false higher expectations than it should be .

Everyone should be aware by this point in life that the worst source for information is the media.
Sports "reporting" is no exception.

Really? What's source do you prefer over the media?

Your generalization seems just a bit political.

Politics are not permitted here, so you assumption is incorrect.
With sports reporting, as with all media, the goal is to create clicks, create views.
Regrettably, in today's world, that means being first, being speculative, being unsubstantiated, substituting opinion for fact is not just tolerated, but encouraged.
Which is precisely why, "Bloom must be blown away", becomes "news" - even though it is an invention rather than a quote.
So, a wise person such as I must always ignore and filter nearly everything that comes from media sources and wait for events and facts to be revealed over time.

[11WSChamps]

So often in the past month or more, media stories on Donovan have a sentence stating Bloom will only trade Donovan if he is blown away by an offer.
The origin of that was reporter Katie Woo , former Cardinal insider now with LA Dodgers , who used that terminology in a report.
As soon as she printed her tweet or whatever, it spread like wildfire throughout the media . Other writers all used Katie's wording though she never claimed that Bloom said that . the 'blown away ' phrase expanded even to CT .
No doubt Bloom wishing a top notch return for Donovan but this 'blown away' may be embellshment . I worry that whatever a final trade would be that the 'blown away' publicity may have Cardinal fans upset .
The 'blown away' mindset giving super high expectations may have many fans citing 'Is that all we got for Donovan ? That return didn't 'blow me ' away at all.... or Geez, why did Bloom accept that . Thought he wanted much more for Donovan than that .

Maybe I am off base and putting too much into the 'blown away' comment by Katie Woo but it seems that phraseology has taken a life of its own in the Donovan situation and maybe has created false higher expectations than it should be .

Everyone should be aware by this point in life that the worst source for information is the media.
Sports "reporting" is no exception.

Really? What's source do you prefer over the media?

Your generalization seems just a bit political.

Politics are not permitted here, so you assumption is incorrect.
With sports reporting, as with all media, the goal is to create clicks, create views.
Regrettably, in today's world, that means being first, being speculative, being unsubstantiated, substituting opinion for fact is not just tolerated, but encouraged.
Which is precisely why, "Bloom must be blown away", becomes "news" - even though is an invention rather than a quote.
So, a wise person such as I must always ignore and filter nearly everything that comes from media sources and wait for events and facts to be revealed over time.

In other words don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see.

[Melville]

So often in the past month or more, media stories on Donovan have a sentence stating Bloom will only trade Donovan if he is blown away by an offer.
The origin of that was reporter Katie Woo , former Cardinal insider now with LA Dodgers , who used that terminology in a report.
As soon as she printed her tweet or whatever, it spread like wildfire throughout the media . Other writers all used Katie's wording though she never claimed that Bloom said that . the 'blown away ' phrase expanded even to CT .
No doubt Bloom wishing a top notch return for Donovan but this 'blown away' may be embellshment . I worry that whatever a final trade would be that the 'blown away' publicity may have Cardinal fans upset .
The 'blown away' mindset giving super high expectations may have many fans citing 'Is that all we got for Donovan ? That return didn't 'blow me ' away at all.... or Geez, why did Bloom accept that . Thought he wanted much more for Donovan than that .

Maybe I am off base and putting too much into the 'blown away' comment by Katie Woo but it seems that phraseology has taken a life of its own in the Donovan situation and maybe has created false higher expectations than it should be .

Everyone should be aware by this point in life that the worst source for information is the media.
Sports "reporting" is no exception.

Really? What's source do you prefer over the media?

Your generalization seems just a bit political.

Politics are not permitted here, so you assumption is incorrect.
With sports reporting, as with all media, the goal is to create clicks, create views.
Regrettably, in today's world, that means being first, being speculative, being unsubstantiated, substituting opinion for fact is not just tolerated, but encouraged.
Which is precisely why, "Bloom must be blown away", becomes "news" - even though is an invention rather than a quote.
So, a wise person such as I must always ignore and filter nearly everything that comes from media sources and wait for events and facts to be revealed over time.

In other words don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see.

Pretty much.
Wait for events to take place - and then wait for the details of those events to come into focus.
Except, of course, when reading my posts.
My analysis, whether forward looking or backward looking, are always based on available facts, free of bias, free of agenda, and the most trustworthy that can be found anywhere, anytime, from anyone.