Carson Beck never attended a class at Miami this season

[acco40]

i don't have a problem with this --- would have more of an issue if he had no degree.

You may have no issue but the NCAA does.

[HoopsGuruII]

Nothing new here! I know of a former NBA player that attended siu-c in the 90s who did not attend classes the final semester that he played on the basketball team. He left school with a sparkling 1.4 GPA!

[dugoutrex]

That's just it.

No one has a problem with any of it apparently.

You now have two professional football leagues.

One just has slightly younger players.

Yep.

Everyone wanted it... they got it!

and college football is better than ever - were you making a point?

[ex-submariner]

That's just it.

No one has a problem with any of it apparently.

You now have two professional football leagues.

One just has slightly younger players.

Yep.

Everyone wanted it... they got it!

and college football is better than ever - were you making a point?

My point being that though the quality of football is certainly better, per the OP it has less and less to do with college.

And no, it's not what everybody wanted. But it's what we got and most of us will continue to watch including myself.

[onemizzou]

As more schools follow Utah and sell off its athletic department, sports will keep getting more disassociated with college. They will be linked in name only. I am just waiting for the lawsuit that breaks the NCAAs ability to have kids only stay for 4 yrs. There are 49 players asking for an additional year and we are one lawsuit away from kids being able to stay associated with a college in perpetuity. I mean if they are not going to class what is the significance of 4yrs of eligibility. Why not make it uncapped and have a semi pro league that is associated with schools.

I predicted this several years ago.

[Kenny Boy]

That's just it.

No one has a problem with any of it apparently.

You now have two professional football leagues.

One just has slightly younger players.

Yep.

Everyone wanted it... they got it!

and college football is better than ever - were you making a point?

What's better...
they finally have a real playoff. Except the 12 best teams are still not in it. (See James Madison and Tulane).

What's the same...
the quality of play across the country

What's worse...
it's no longer college student-athlete football.
"students" can transfer as many times as they want.
6, 7 years of eligibility is not unheard of.
most players could care less about the school. It's all about money.
financial disparity among both schools as well as players on each team.
players dropping out of bowl games as they hit the portal for greener pastures.
the rich will continue to get richer.

Overall, I don't see how it's better.

[JackBolly]

So college football isn't really about college anymore. The NCAA is more of a fraud now than ever. Walmart fans are fine with that. Guess recent lawsuits will have a few courts define what a 'player contract' is. So where is this headed next? Anti- trust I believe. The NFL had Congress grant it an exemption.

[LCA1951]

If you are doing grad research, then no classes but periodic sessions with grad advisor to discuss research. Enrolled but no classes to attend

[11WSChamps]

That's just it.

No one has a problem with any of it apparently.

You now have two professional football leagues.

One just has slightly younger players.

Yep.

Everyone wanted it... they got it!

and college football is better than ever - were you making a point?

What's better...
they finally have a real playoff. Except the 12 best teams are still not in it. (See James Madison and Tulane).

What's the same...
the quality of play across the country

What's worse...
it's no longer college student-athlete football.
"students" can transfer as many times as they want.
6, 7 years of eligibility is not unheard of.
most players could care less about the school. It's all about money.
financial disparity among both schools as well as players on each team.
players dropping out of bowl games as they hit the portal for greener pastures.
the rich will continue to get richer.

Overall, I don't see how it's better.

It's not better.

[winonsports]

If you are doing grad research, then no classes but periodic sessions with grad advisor to discuss research. Enrolled but no classes to attend

Some insist on living in the 20th Century

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[acco40]

If you are doing grad research, then no classes but periodic sessions with grad advisor to discuss research. Enrolled but no classes to attend

It all depends. When I was in graduate school, one could take either a thesis or no thesis option for a master's degree. As an example, one may need 30 hours (college credits) to earn a master's degree or 24 hours and a write a thesis (which will need to be defended). To say no classes are needed is a stretch. To earn a doctorate, most schools will require a thesis (research).

[LCA1951]

If you are doing grad research, then no classes but periodic sessions with grad advisor to discuss research. Enrolled but no classes to attend

It all depends. When I was in graduate school, one could take either a thesis or no thesis option for a master's degree. As an example, one may need 30 hours (college credits) to earn a master's degree or 24 hours and a write a thesis (which will need to be defended). To say no classes are needed is a stretch. To earn a doctorate, most schools will require a thesis (research).

That is exactly what I did. 3-credit hours for research but no classes to attend for 2-years.

[Bob39]

So college football isn't really about college anymore. The NCAA is more of a fraud now than ever. Walmart fans are fine with that. Guess recent lawsuits will have a few courts define what a 'player contract' is. So where is this headed next? Anti- trust I believe. The NFL had Congress grant it an exemption.

If they don't want to be students, form a pro league and have at it. They won't do it because no one would watch. If you want the benefits of the University (exposure, facilities, coaching, being on TV, large paydays, campus life) then you have to be a student.

I almost wish that all of the best players would just start their own league and see if they can make it work. I would rather watch a lower level of play (assuming the teams are still competitive with each other) with kids who are actually students.

[Luke77]

If you are doing grad research, then no classes but periodic sessions with grad advisor to discuss research. Enrolled but no classes to attend

It all depends. When I was in graduate school, one could take either a thesis or no thesis option for a master's degree. As an example, one may need 30 hours (college credits) to earn a master's degree or 24 hours and a write a thesis (which will need to be defended). To say no classes are needed is a stretch. To earn a doctorate, most schools will require a thesis (research).

I think you mean dissertation for a doctorate, Doc.

[JackBolly]

So college football isn't really about college anymore. The NCAA is more of a fraud now than ever. Walmart fans are fine with that. Guess recent lawsuits will have a few courts define what a 'player contract' is. So where is this headed next? Anti- trust I believe. The NFL had Congress grant it an exemption.

If they don't want to be students, form a pro league and have at it. They won't do it because no one would watch. If you want the benefits of the University (exposure, facilities, coaching, being on TV, large paydays, campus life) then you have to be a student.

I almost wish that all of the best players would just start their own league and see if they can make it work. I would rather watch a lower level of play (assuming the teams are still competitive with each other) with kids who are actually students.

Forming the Super League and admitting the situation with a cap and contract controls would make things more above board. So what just happened? Carson Beck ends his +6 yr college playing career and basically tells everyone he did no academic work while at MIA the last two seasons. The media response? Yawn. This is where we are now and its basically fraudulent. In many respects its more honest than the NCAA rubber stamping UNC for creating fake classes that players never attended and thus produced fake academic records.

[acco40]

If you are doing grad research, then no classes but periodic sessions with grad advisor to discuss research. Enrolled but no classes to attend

It all depends. When I was in graduate school, one could take either a thesis or no thesis option for a master's degree. As an example, one may need 30 hours (college credits) to earn a master's degree or 24 hours and a write a thesis (which will need to be defended). To say no classes are needed is a stretch. To earn a doctorate, most schools will require a thesis (research).

I think you mean dissertation for a doctorate, Doc.

Thanks for the clarification. In the U.S. yes; thesis (Master's), dissertation (PhD), pretty much everywhere else, no; dissertation (Master's/Bachelor's), thesis (PhD).