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Posted: **28 Dec 2025 13:02 pm**

12 month plan
-Arenado plus as much cash as it takes to get the highest upside prospect possible.
-JoJo for highest prospect possible (not 2 lottery picks, 1 decent prospect).
-Donovan for best 2 prospect package possible, plus maybe a Comp pick.
-Keep Noot and Gorman. Platoon them early on, hoping to build confidence and decent stats, then trade AS SOON as they start hitting (if they do), and are healthy. The opposite of the Mo way of trading when their value is in the toilet.
-Give Walker whatever personal hitting coach he wants, keep him in extended spring training/minor leagues, as he still has an option left, until he possibly starts putting it together. No pressure at bats until then, and no taking at bats from others at the MLB level.
-Flip May for prospects if he gets off to a good start.
-Package any redundancies (catching prospect/high floor with low ceiling prospect) for a position of need like centerfield.
-Extend Winn and Weatherholt.
-Start spending $ in free agency this time next year.
-Hire me as assistant TO the general manager

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Posted: **28 Dec 2025 13:33 pm**

82birds wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 09:19 am Unfortunately the path they've chosen is the right way to go.

Deal assets (Gray-WillyC-eventually Donny, JoJo and mid season Noot) for as many young major league players or prospects w/upside.

I hate it as much as any of you.

But BDWJr/Mo's neglect of the system has led us here.

I'd love to spend, but Dewitt is only going to let Bloom spend some of the off the books contracts (re: Gray/Willy's = D. May) but no more.

I'd like to see us add a veteran OF'er, Andjuar has been my choice, and a couple veteran RP's.

I think that's best we can hope for in 2026.

JMO
yup
at least one of those two clowns is gone !

Now we need Oli gone after 2026!

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 16:17 pm**

I would TRY to obtain Andy Pages from LA with offer of Donovan/Nootbaar/Romero but I think that would not be enough - SO.......I would also TRY to obtain Kristian Campbell from Boston with that same offer, but I think the Sawx would decline, SO......
I would sign FA Miguel Andujar to be the RHH LF.

I would attempt to trade Arenado for some OF prospect with an ETA of '27 or '28.
If successful I would keep Donovan to play 3B.....if not keep Arenado and trade Donovan for 2 young starting pitchers with MLB experience and several years of control, such as Logan Evans + Emerson Hancock or Bryce Miller of Seattle.
I would trade Nolan Gorman for 2 young prospects with high ceilings.

My starting lineup for 2026 would be:
JJ Wetherholt 2B
Ivan Herrera DH/C
Alec Burleson 1B
Andy Pages or Kristian Campbell or Miguel Andujar LF
Brendan Donovan or Nolan Arenado or Thomas Saggese 3B
Jordan Walker RF
Victor Scott CF
Pedro Pages C
Masyn Winn SS

SP
Dustin May
Matthew Liberatore
Michael McGreevy
Hunter Dobbins or Richard Fitts
Evans or Hancock or Miller

BP
Kyle Leahy
Riley O'Brien
Matt Svanson
Andre Pallante
others from above SP or Memphis

Bench depends on trades and:
Crooks C
Fermin IF

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 16:28 pm**

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 14:57 pm Call up the Dodgers and see if they’d want Donny and JoJo for Andy Pages. Trade Pedro Pages or Crooks, Nado and $10 million to Philly for Alec Bohm. Sign Randall Grichuk to be the 4th OFer and play against lefties. Sign one of John Means or Tyler Mahle to flip for prospects at the deadline. Sign a lefty reliever, one of Joey Lucchesi or Danny Coulombe. Start Walker in AAA.

Catcher: Herrera/Crooks or Pages
1st: Burly/Gorman
2nd: JJ/Gorman
3rd: Bohm/Gorman
SS: Winn
LF: Noot
CF: Victor Scott
RF: Pages
DH: Gorman/Bohm

1. Grichuk (corner OF/DH)
2. Crooks
3. Saggese (2nd, 3rd, SS)
4. Fermin

1. May
2. Means/Mahle
3. Libby
4. McGreevy
5. Leahy/Fitts (Dobbins when he’s back from injury)

LR: Pallante
LR: Graceffo
MR: Fernandez
MR: Pushard
MR: Leahy/Fitts
SU: Lucchesi or Coulombe
SU: O’Brien/Svanson
CL: O’Brien/Svanson

If they aren’t in the race at the deadline then trade Bohm, Noot, May, Means/Mahle and Lucchesi/Coulombe for prospects to make way for whoever’s ready to take their spots.

I think I like it. Not sure what Bohms long term contract status is, but maybe some upside there.

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 16:57 pm**

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 16:28 pm
cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 14:57 pm Call up the Dodgers and see if they’d want Donny and JoJo for Andy Pages. Trade Pedro Pages or Crooks, Nado and $10 million to Philly for Alec Bohm. Sign Randall Grichuk to be the 4th OFer and play against lefties. Sign one of John Means or Tyler Mahle to flip for prospects at the deadline. Sign a lefty reliever, one of Joey Lucchesi or Danny Coulombe. Start Walker in AAA.

Catcher: Herrera/Crooks or Pages
1st: Burly/Gorman
2nd: JJ/Gorman
3rd: Bohm/Gorman
SS: Winn
LF: Noot
CF: Victor Scott
RF: Pages
DH: Gorman/Bohm

1. Grichuk (corner OF/DH)
2. Crooks
3. Saggese (2nd, 3rd, SS)
4. Fermin

1. May
2. Means/Mahle
3. Libby
4. McGreevy
5. Leahy/Fitts (Dobbins when he’s back from injury)

LR: Pallante
LR: Graceffo
MR: Fernandez
MR: Pushard
MR: Leahy/Fitts
SU: Lucchesi or Coulombe
SU: O’Brien/Svanson
CL: O’Brien/Svanson

If they aren’t in the race at the deadline then trade Bohm, Noot, May, Means/Mahle and Lucchesi/Coulombe for prospects to make way for whoever’s ready to take their spots.
I think I like it. Not sure what Bohms long term contract status is, but maybe some upside there.

I’d like Pages, too. If Bloom can get the Dodgers to trade a 25 year old power hitter that isn’t arbitration eligible until 2027 for Osborne and Jojo, he’d be the greatest executive of all time.

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 17:03 pm**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 09:31 am You all don't want to read about all the things I would be looking into yet this offseason!

Au contraire monsieur

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 17:38 pm**

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 16:28 pm
cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 14:57 pm Call up the Dodgers and see if they’d want Donny and JoJo for Andy Pages. Trade Pedro Pages or Crooks, Nado and $10 million to Philly for Alec Bohm. Sign Randall Grichuk to be the 4th OFer and play against lefties. Sign one of John Means or Tyler Mahle to flip for prospects at the deadline. Sign a lefty reliever, one of Joey Lucchesi or Danny Coulombe. Start Walker in AAA.

Catcher: Herrera/Crooks or Pages
1st: Burly/Gorman
2nd: JJ/Gorman
3rd: Bohm/Gorman
SS: Winn
LF: Noot
CF: Victor Scott
RF: Pages
DH: Gorman/Bohm

1. Grichuk (corner OF/DH)
2. Crooks
3. Saggese (2nd, 3rd, SS)
4. Fermin

1. May
2. Means/Mahle
3. Libby
4. McGreevy
5. Leahy/Fitts (Dobbins when he’s back from injury)

LR: Pallante
LR: Graceffo
MR: Fernandez
MR: Pushard
MR: Leahy/Fitts
SU: Lucchesi or Coulombe
SU: O’Brien/Svanson
CL: O’Brien/Svanson

If they aren’t in the race at the deadline then trade Bohm, Noot, May, Means/Mahle and Lucchesi/Coulombe for prospects to make way for whoever’s ready to take their spots.
I think I like it. Not sure what Bohms long term contract status is, but maybe some upside there.

He’s a free agent after this coming season. I figured they’d flip him at the deadline or extend him.

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 17:41 pm**

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 16:57 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 16:28 pm
cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 14:57 pm Call up the Dodgers and see if they’d want Donny and JoJo for Andy Pages. Trade Pedro Pages or Crooks, Nado and $10 million to Philly for Alec Bohm. Sign Randall Grichuk to be the 4th OFer and play against lefties. Sign one of John Means or Tyler Mahle to flip for prospects at the deadline. Sign a lefty reliever, one of Joey Lucchesi or Danny Coulombe. Start Walker in AAA.

Catcher: Herrera/Crooks or Pages
1st: Burly/Gorman
2nd: JJ/Gorman
3rd: Bohm/Gorman
SS: Winn
LF: Noot
CF: Victor Scott
RF: Pages
DH: Gorman/Bohm

1. Grichuk (corner OF/DH)
2. Crooks
3. Saggese (2nd, 3rd, SS)
4. Fermin

1. May
2. Means/Mahle
3. Libby
4. McGreevy
5. Leahy/Fitts (Dobbins when he’s back from injury)

LR: Pallante
LR: Graceffo
MR: Fernandez
MR: Pushard
MR: Leahy/Fitts
SU: Lucchesi or Coulombe
SU: O’Brien/Svanson
CL: O’Brien/Svanson

If they aren’t in the race at the deadline then trade Bohm, Noot, May, Means/Mahle and Lucchesi/Coulombe for prospects to make way for whoever’s ready to take their spots.
I think I like it. Not sure what Bohms long term contract status is, but maybe some upside there.
I’d like Pages, too. If Bloom can get the Dodgers to trade a 25 year old power hitter that isn’t arbitration eligible until 2027 for Osborne and Jojo, he’d be the greatest executive of all time.

Freudian slip

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 18:07 pm**

2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 17:03 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 09:31 am You all don't want to read about all the things I would be looking into yet this offseason!
Au contraire monsieur

At this writing there are 46 days until pitchers and catchers report, and 50 days until full squad workouts begin. If I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m still talking with all the teams seeing what moves can be made.

If I were given only one move to make, it would be this: Brendan Donovan (32.5), Lars Nootbaar (11.9), and JoJo Romero (4.1) to the Dodgers for Mike Sirota (21.4), River Ryan (14.

, Alex Freeland (5.5), and Adam Serwinowski (4.5). Sirota (all 3 OF spots) would go to AA, Ryan would go into the ML rotation, Freeland would be the starting 3B, or play a utility role for now, and Serwinowski would go to AA where he would compete with Clarke, Doyle, and maybe Tanner Franklin to see who can throw a baseball through a wall first. This does address each area the Dodgers need without giving up anyone they will ever miss. This move alone would be a good offseason for the Cardinals, but deals are tough to do and it probably won’t happen. (The thread is allowing me to do things my way though, and I’ve tried to be fair)
If that can’t be arranged, I would ask the following teams about Donovan:
Boston for Kyson Witherspoon and Marcus Phillips
Seattle for Jurrangelo Cijntje and ___________.
Detroit for Josue Briceno and Franyerber Montilla.
Kansas City for ________.

Who else? I’m not determined to trade Alec Burleson (21.5), but would ask the Mets about him for Carson Benge (23.3). I tossed around the idea with Craviduce awhile back about this and potentially even giving up our Round A Comp pick to do this. Benge is a ML ready OF who plays primarily CF, but could go to a corner.

If Nootbaar can’t go to LA, I would ask around. There are teams needing OF help.
Texas for RHP Caden Scarborough. Ready for AA.
Tampa for ________.
Pittsburgh for LHP Hunter Barco.

Arenado to the Diamondbacks, Angels, Athletics, or Mariners.

There is too much undecided here to say exactly what the 26 man roster would be.

The Pitching
Rotation of Liberatore, May, McGreevy, Ryan if we can get him, and a free agent. I would try to sign either Quintana, or Mahle. Probably Quintana because he has been more durable. Not instead of, but in addition to, I would inquire about signing Jordan Montgomery to a 1 year 1-2M deal with incentives. He won’t pitch until June or July, but by then we may have injuries (May?), or a pitcher like Ryan or Leahy may be on an innings limit. Since, I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m figuring on Leahy in the bullpen, Fitts and/or Dobbs as multi inning reliever/spot starters, and Pallante will be mercifully re-homed.

Position player signings:
Randall Grichuck was mentioned and he makes a ton of sense. Mike Tauchmann is a LHH OF who can play all 3 spots. He would give some lineup options as well.

Other players I am open to moving; Andre Pallante, Jimmy Crooks or Pedro Pages, Nolan Gorman, Cesar Prieto, Pete Hansen, Chase Davis, and maybe even Ixan Henderson for the right package.

My wild guess;
C- Herrera, Pages/Crooks
1B-
2B-Wetherholt
SS- Winn
3B-Freeland
LF- Herrera, Grichuck, Tauchmann
CF- Scott
RF- Walker
Rotation; Liberatore, May, Quintana, McGreevy, Ryan, Montgomery
Bullpen; Svanson, O’Brien, Fitts, Dobbs, Z Thompson, LHRP, Graceffo, ________

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 18:33 pm**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:07 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 17:03 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 09:31 am You all don't want to read about all the things I would be looking into yet this offseason!
Au contraire monsieur
At this writing there are 46 days until pitchers and catchers report, and 50 days until full squad workouts begin. If I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m still talking with all the teams seeing what moves can be made.

If I were given only one move to make, it would be this: Brendan Donovan (32.5), Lars Nootbaar (11.9), and JoJo Romero (4.1) to the Dodgers for Mike Sirota (21.4), River Ryan (14., Alex Freeland (5.5), and Adam Serwinowski (4.5). Sirota (all 3 OF spots) would go to AA, Ryan would go into the ML rotation, Freeland would be the starting 3B, or play a utility role for now, and Serwinowski would go to AA where he would compete with Clarke, Doyle, and maybe Tanner Franklin to see who can throw a baseball through a wall first. This does address each area the Dodgers need without giving up anyone they will ever miss. This move alone would be a good offseason for the Cardinals, but deals are tough to do and it probably won’t happen. (The thread is allowing me to do things my way though, and I’ve tried to be fair)
If that can’t be arranged, I would ask the following teams about Donovan:
Boston for Kyson Witherspoon and Marcus Phillips
Seattle for Jurrangelo Cijntje and ___________.
Detroit for Josue Briceno and Franyerber Montilla.
Kansas City for ________.

Who else? I’m not determined to trade Alec Burleson (21.5), but would ask the Mets about him for Carson Benge (23.3). I tossed around the idea with Craviduce awhile back about this and potentially even giving up our Round A Comp pick to do this. Benge is a ML ready OF who plays primarily CF, but could go to a corner.

If Nootbaar can’t go to LA, I would ask around. There are teams needing OF help.
Texas for RHP Caden Scarborough. Ready for AA.
Tampa for ________.
Pittsburgh for LHP Hunter Barco.

Arenado to the Diamondbacks, Angels, Athletics, or Mariners.

There is too much undecided here to say exactly what the 26 man roster would be.

The Pitching
Rotation of Liberatore, May, McGreevy, Ryan if we can get him, and a free agent. I would try to sign either Quintana, or Mahle. Probably Quintana because he has been more durable. Not instead of, but in addition to, I would inquire about signing Jordan Montgomery to a 1 year 1-2M deal with incentives. He won’t pitch until June or July, but by then we may have injuries (May?), or a pitcher like Ryan or Leahy may be on an innings limit. Since, I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m figuring on Leahy in the bullpen, Fitts and/or Dobbs as multi inning reliever/spot starters, and Pallante will be mercifully re-homed.

Position player signings:
Randall Grichuck was mentioned and he makes a ton of sense. Mike Tauchmann is a LHH OF who can play all 3 spots. He would give some lineup options as well.

Other players I am open to moving; Andre Pallante, Jimmy Crooks or Pedro Pages, Nolan Gorman, Cesar Prieto, Pete Hansen, Chase Davis, and maybe even Ixan Henderson for the right package.

My wild guess;
C- Herrera, Pages/Crooks
1B-Burleson
2B-Wetherholt
SS- Winn
3B-Freeland
LF- Herrera, Grichuck, Tauchmann
CF- Scott
RF- Walker
Rotation; Liberatore, May, Quintana, McGreevy, Ryan, Montgomery
Bullpen; Svanson, O’Brien, Fitts, Dobbs, Z Thompson, LHRP, Graceffo, ________

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 19:30 pm**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:07 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 17:03 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 09:31 am You all don't want to read about all the things I would be looking into yet this offseason!
Au contraire monsieur
At this writing there are 46 days until pitchers and catchers report, and 50 days until full squad workouts begin. If I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m still talking with all the teams seeing what moves can be made.

If I were given only one move to make, it would be this: Brendan Donovan (32.5), Lars Nootbaar (11.9), and JoJo Romero (4.1) to the Dodgers for Mike Sirota (21.4), River Ryan (14., Alex Freeland (5.5), and Adam Serwinowski (4.5). Sirota (all 3 OF spots) would go to AA, Ryan would go into the ML rotation, Freeland would be the starting 3B, or play a utility role for now, and Serwinowski would go to AA where he would compete with Clarke, Doyle, and maybe Tanner Franklin to see who can throw a baseball through a wall first. This does address each area the Dodgers need without giving up anyone they will ever miss. This move alone would be a good offseason for the Cardinals, but deals are tough to do and it probably won’t happen. (The thread is allowing me to do things my way though, and I’ve tried to be fair)
If that can’t be arranged, I would ask the following teams about Donovan:
Boston for Kyson Witherspoon and Marcus Phillips
Seattle for Jurrangelo Cijntje and ___________.
Detroit for Josue Briceno and Franyerber Montilla.
Kansas City for ________.

Who else? I’m not determined to trade Alec Burleson (21.5), but would ask the Mets about him for Carson Benge (23.3). I tossed around the idea with Craviduce awhile back about this and potentially even giving up our Round A Comp pick to do this. Benge is a ML ready OF who plays primarily CF, but could go to a corner.

If Nootbaar can’t go to LA, I would ask around. There are teams needing OF help.
Texas for RHP Caden Scarborough. Ready for AA.
Tampa for ________.
Pittsburgh for LHP Hunter Barco.

Arenado to the Diamondbacks, Angels, Athletics, or Mariners.

There is too much undecided here to say exactly what the 26 man roster would be.

The Pitching
Rotation of Liberatore, May, McGreevy, Ryan if we can get him, and a free agent. I would try to sign either Quintana, or Mahle. Probably Quintana because he has been more durable. Not instead of, but in addition to, I would inquire about signing Jordan Montgomery to a 1 year 1-2M deal with incentives. He won’t pitch until June or July, but by then we may have injuries (May?), or a pitcher like Ryan or Leahy may be on an innings limit. Since, I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m figuring on Leahy in the bullpen, Fitts and/or Dobbs as multi inning reliever/spot starters, and Pallante will be mercifully re-homed.

Position player signings:
Randall Grichuck was mentioned and he makes a ton of sense. Mike Tauchmann is a LHH OF who can play all 3 spots. He would give some lineup options as well.

Other players I am open to moving; Andre Pallante, Jimmy Crooks or Pedro Pages, Nolan Gorman, Cesar Prieto, Pete Hansen, Chase Davis, and maybe even Ixan Henderson for the right package.

My wild guess;
C- Herrera, Pages/Crooks
1B-
2B-Wetherholt
SS- Winn
3B-Freeland
LF- Herrera, Grichuck, Tauchmann
CF- Scott
RF- Walker
Rotation; Liberatore, May, Quintana, McGreevy, Ryan, Montgomery
Bullpen; Svanson, O’Brien, Fitts, Dobbs, Z Thompson, LHRP, Graceffo, ________

Of course I like the trade with the Dodgers. Now find Arenado a home and we are good.

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 19:51 pm**

These scenarios are I guess fun to talk about but they are just that. That Dodgers trade idea was a CT invention because someone went to BTV and concocted it. IF that trade was available to us how many here believe that it wouldn’t have already happened. The third Boston trade idea was also a CT concoction using BTV. I guess they are fun to think about but we shouldn’t take them too seriously.

Patience is a virtue and I don’t have a lot of it but all we can do is wait and see what happens. I hope the market for Donovan is what is being proposed on here. If we get a starting pitcher, a starting 3B, a starting outfielder plus a good pitching prospect from the Dodgers for Donovan + then sign me up but we should realize that these “proposals” are CT inventions with little supporting evidence.

The only evidence we kinda have was the Woo article that said that Seattle and SF were the front runners for Donovan and she mentioned the players she heard were involved in those discussions. The SF proposal wasn’t very good. The Seattle proposal was interesting but most wanted a little more. As tough as it is to wait and see, it’s all we can do.

Posted: **28 Dec 2025 20:05 pm**

Whatashame wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 19:51 pm These scenarios are I guess fun to talk about but they are just that. That Dodgers trade idea was a CT invention because someone went to BTV and concocted it. IF that trade was available to us how many here believe that it wouldn’t have already happened. The third Boston trade idea was also a CT concoction using BTV. I guess they are fun to think about but we shouldn’t take them too seriously.

Patience is a virtue and I don’t have a lot of it but all we can do is wait and see what happens. I hope the market for Donovan is what is being proposed on here. If we get a starting pitcher, a starting 3B, a starting outfielder plus a good pitching prospect from the Dodgers for Donovan + then sign me up but we should realize that these “proposals” are CT inventions with little supporting evidence.

The only evidence we kinda have was the Woo article that said that Seattle and SF were the front runners for Donovan and she mentioned the players she heard were involved in those discussions. The SF proposal wasn’t very good. The Seattle proposal was interesting but most wanted a little more. As tough as it is to wait and see, it’s all we can do.

I concocted those proposals. There is no reporting that this is being considered, and of course if they were in agreement it would be done. The Dodgers interest in Donovan, Nootbaar, and Romero has been credibly reported- that's not made up. The Dodgers expressed need for a 2B, LF, and any type of relief pitcher, also has been credibly reported- that's not made up. The types of things the Cardinals are looking for have also been credibly reported- that's not made up. I put the BTV's there pre-emptively because people bring that up after you post something. I'm just saying the fit is there. The thread asked me to complete the offseason my way. I did. As you say, these things can be fun.

Posted: **29 Dec 2025 10:32 am**

2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 19:30 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:07 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 17:03 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 09:31 am You all don't want to read about all the things I would be looking into yet this offseason!
Au contraire monsieur
At this writing there are 46 days until pitchers and catchers report, and 50 days until full squad workouts begin. If I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m still talking with all the teams seeing what moves can be made.

If I were given only one move to make, it would be this: Brendan Donovan (32.5), Lars Nootbaar (11.9), and JoJo Romero (4.1) to the Dodgers for Mike Sirota (21.4), River Ryan (14., Alex Freeland (5.5), and Adam Serwinowski (4.5). Sirota (all 3 OF spots) would go to AA, Ryan would go into the ML rotation, Freeland would be the starting 3B, or play a utility role for now, and Serwinowski would go to AA where he would compete with Clarke, Doyle, and maybe Tanner Franklin to see who can throw a baseball through a wall first. This does address each area the Dodgers need without giving up anyone they will ever miss. This move alone would be a good offseason for the Cardinals, but deals are tough to do and it probably won’t happen. (The thread is allowing me to do things my way though, and I’ve tried to be fair)
If that can’t be arranged, I would ask the following teams about Donovan:
Boston for Kyson Witherspoon and Marcus Phillips
Seattle for Jurrangelo Cijntje and ___________.
Detroit for Josue Briceno and Franyerber Montilla.
Kansas City for ________.

Who else? I’m not determined to trade Alec Burleson (21.5), but would ask the Mets about him for Carson Benge (23.3). I tossed around the idea with Craviduce awhile back about this and potentially even giving up our Round A Comp pick to do this. Benge is a ML ready OF who plays primarily CF, but could go to a corner.

If Nootbaar can’t go to LA, I would ask around. There are teams needing OF help.
Texas for RHP Caden Scarborough. Ready for AA.
Tampa for ________.
Pittsburgh for LHP Hunter Barco.

Arenado to the Diamondbacks, Angels, Athletics, or Mariners.

There is too much undecided here to say exactly what the 26 man roster would be.

The Pitching
Rotation of Liberatore, May, McGreevy, Ryan if we can get him, and a free agent. I would try to sign either Quintana, or Mahle. Probably Quintana because he has been more durable. Not instead of, but in addition to, I would inquire about signing Jordan Montgomery to a 1 year 1-2M deal with incentives. He won’t pitch until June or July, but by then we may have injuries (May?), or a pitcher like Ryan or Leahy may be on an innings limit. Since, I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m figuring on Leahy in the bullpen, Fitts and/or Dobbs as multi inning reliever/spot starters, and Pallante will be mercifully re-homed.

Position player signings:
Randall Grichuck was mentioned and he makes a ton of sense. Mike Tauchmann is a LHH OF who can play all 3 spots. He would give some lineup options as well.

Other players I am open to moving; Andre Pallante, Jimmy Crooks or Pedro Pages, Nolan Gorman, Cesar Prieto, Pete Hansen, Chase Davis, and maybe even Ixan Henderson for the right package.

My wild guess;
C- Herrera, Pages/Crooks
1B-
2B-Wetherholt
SS- Winn
3B-Freeland
LF- Herrera, Grichuck, Tauchmann
CF- Scott
RF- Walker
Rotation; Liberatore, May, Quintana, McGreevy, Ryan, Montgomery
Bullpen; Svanson, O’Brien, Fitts, Dobbs, Z Thompson, LHRP, Graceffo, ________
Of course I like the trade with the Dodgers. Now find Arenado a home and we are good.

Posted: **29 Dec 2025 12:07 pm**

Cardinalss4Ever wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 10:32 am
2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 19:30 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:07 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 17:03 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 09:31 am You all don't want to read about all the things I would be looking into yet this offseason!
Au contraire monsieur
At this writing there are 46 days until pitchers and catchers report, and 50 days until full squad workouts begin. If I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m still talking with all the teams seeing what moves can be made.

If I were given only one move to make, it would be this: Brendan Donovan (32.5), Lars Nootbaar (11.9), and JoJo Romero (4.1) to the Dodgers for Mike Sirota (21.4), River Ryan (14., Alex Freeland (5.5), and Adam Serwinowski (4.5). Sirota (all 3 OF spots) would go to AA, Ryan would go into the ML rotation, Freeland would be the starting 3B, or play a utility role for now, and Serwinowski would go to AA where he would compete with Clarke, Doyle, and maybe Tanner Franklin to see who can throw a baseball through a wall first. This does address each area the Dodgers need without giving up anyone they will ever miss. This move alone would be a good offseason for the Cardinals, but deals are tough to do and it probably won’t happen. (The thread is allowing me to do things my way though, and I’ve tried to be fair)
If that can’t be arranged, I would ask the following teams about Donovan:
Boston for Kyson Witherspoon and Marcus Phillips
Seattle for Jurrangelo Cijntje and ___________.
Detroit for Josue Briceno and Franyerber Montilla.
Kansas City for ________.

Who else? I’m not determined to trade Alec Burleson (21.5), but would ask the Mets about him for Carson Benge (23.3). I tossed around the idea with Craviduce awhile back about this and potentially even giving up our Round A Comp pick to do this. Benge is a ML ready OF who plays primarily CF, but could go to a corner.

If Nootbaar can’t go to LA, I would ask around. There are teams needing OF help.
Texas for RHP Caden Scarborough. Ready for AA.
Tampa for ________.
Pittsburgh for LHP Hunter Barco.

Arenado to the Diamondbacks, Angels, Athletics, or Mariners.

There is too much undecided here to say exactly what the 26 man roster would be.

The Pitching
Rotation of Liberatore, May, McGreevy, Ryan if we can get him, and a free agent. I would try to sign either Quintana, or Mahle. Probably Quintana because he has been more durable. Not instead of, but in addition to, I would inquire about signing Jordan Montgomery to a 1 year 1-2M deal with incentives. He won’t pitch until June or July, but by then we may have injuries (May?), or a pitcher like Ryan or Leahy may be on an innings limit. Since, I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m figuring on Leahy in the bullpen, Fitts and/or Dobbs as multi inning reliever/spot starters, and Pallante will be mercifully re-homed.

Position player signings:
Randall Grichuck was mentioned and he makes a ton of sense. Mike Tauchmann is a LHH OF who can play all 3 spots. He would give some lineup options as well.

Other players I am open to moving; Andre Pallante, Jimmy Crooks or Pedro Pages, Nolan Gorman, Cesar Prieto, Pete Hansen, Chase Davis, and maybe even Ixan Henderson for the right package.

My wild guess;
C- Herrera, Pages/Crooks
1B-
2B-Wetherholt
SS- Winn
3B-Freeland
LF- Herrera, Grichuck, Tauchmann
CF- Scott
RF- Walker
Rotation; Liberatore, May, Quintana, McGreevy, Ryan, Montgomery
Bullpen; Svanson, O’Brien, Fitts, Dobbs, Z Thompson, LHRP, Graceffo, ________
Of course I like the trade with the Dodgers. Now find Arenado a home and we are good.

Burleson + throw in for Carson Benge, yes please.

Combo platter for Andy Pages, again, yes please.

Other Ideas

Noot plus Crooks
Tampa Bay Rays
#14 - Brailer Gurrero OF - Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Run: 45 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 50
+ Round B Comp Balance pick

Texas Rangers
#6 - Alejandro Rosario - RHP - Fastball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Splitter: 60 | Control: 60 | Overall: 45
#19 - Paulino Santana - OF- Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Run: 60 | Arm: 45 | Field: 55 | Overall: 45

Donovan & Romero
Detroit Tigers
#4 - Bryce Rainer - SS/3B - Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Run: 55 | Arm: 70 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55

Seattle Mariners
#4 Ryan Sloan - RHP - Fastball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 55 | Overall: 55
+ Round A comp balance pick

Yes yes yes. Clearly theres deals we would like. How did Rosario go to a 45 oa with all the rest better?

Posted: **29 Dec 2025 12:43 pm**

2ninr wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 12:07 pm
Cardinalss4Ever wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 10:32 am
2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 19:30 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:07 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 17:03 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 09:31 am You all don't want to read about all the things I would be looking into yet this offseason!
Au contraire monsieur
At this writing there are 46 days until pitchers and catchers report, and 50 days until full squad workouts begin. If I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m still talking with all the teams seeing what moves can be made.

If I were given only one move to make, it would be this: Brendan Donovan (32.5), Lars Nootbaar (11.9), and JoJo Romero (4.1) to the Dodgers for Mike Sirota (21.4), River Ryan (14., Alex Freeland (5.5), and Adam Serwinowski (4.5). Sirota (all 3 OF spots) would go to AA, Ryan would go into the ML rotation, Freeland would be the starting 3B, or play a utility role for now, and Serwinowski would go to AA where he would compete with Clarke, Doyle, and maybe Tanner Franklin to see who can throw a baseball through a wall first. This does address each area the Dodgers need without giving up anyone they will ever miss. This move alone would be a good offseason for the Cardinals, but deals are tough to do and it probably won’t happen. (The thread is allowing me to do things my way though, and I’ve tried to be fair)
If that can’t be arranged, I would ask the following teams about Donovan:
Boston for Kyson Witherspoon and Marcus Phillips
Seattle for Jurrangelo Cijntje and ___________.
Detroit for Josue Briceno and Franyerber Montilla.
Kansas City for ________.

Who else? I’m not determined to trade Alec Burleson (21.5), but would ask the Mets about him for Carson Benge (23.3). I tossed around the idea with Craviduce awhile back about this and potentially even giving up our Round A Comp pick to do this. Benge is a ML ready OF who plays primarily CF, but could go to a corner.

If Nootbaar can’t go to LA, I would ask around. There are teams needing OF help.
Texas for RHP Caden Scarborough. Ready for AA.
Tampa for ________.
Pittsburgh for LHP Hunter Barco.

Arenado to the Diamondbacks, Angels, Athletics, or Mariners.

There is too much undecided here to say exactly what the 26 man roster would be.

The Pitching
Rotation of Liberatore, May, McGreevy, Ryan if we can get him, and a free agent. I would try to sign either Quintana, or Mahle. Probably Quintana because he has been more durable. Not instead of, but in addition to, I would inquire about signing Jordan Montgomery to a 1 year 1-2M deal with incentives. He won’t pitch until June or July, but by then we may have injuries (May?), or a pitcher like Ryan or Leahy may be on an innings limit. Since, I’m completing the offseason my way, I’m figuring on Leahy in the bullpen, Fitts and/or Dobbs as multi inning reliever/spot starters, and Pallante will be mercifully re-homed.

Position player signings:
Randall Grichuck was mentioned and he makes a ton of sense. Mike Tauchmann is a LHH OF who can play all 3 spots. He would give some lineup options as well.

Other players I am open to moving; Andre Pallante, Jimmy Crooks or Pedro Pages, Nolan Gorman, Cesar Prieto, Pete Hansen, Chase Davis, and maybe even Ixan Henderson for the right package.

My wild guess;
C- Herrera, Pages/Crooks
1B-
2B-Wetherholt
SS- Winn
3B-Freeland
LF- Herrera, Grichuck, Tauchmann
CF- Scott
RF- Walker
Rotation; Liberatore, May, Quintana, McGreevy, Ryan, Montgomery
Bullpen; Svanson, O’Brien, Fitts, Dobbs, Z Thompson, LHRP, Graceffo, ________
Of course I like the trade with the Dodgers. Now find Arenado a home and we are good.

Burleson + throw in for Carson Benge, yes please.

Combo platter for Andy Pages, again, yes please.

Other Ideas

Noot plus Crooks
Tampa Bay Rays
#14 - Brailer Gurrero OF - Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Run: 45 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 50
+ Round B Comp Balance pick

Texas Rangers
#6 - Alejandro Rosario - RHP - Fastball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Splitter: 60 | Control: 60 | Overall: 45
#19 - Paulino Santana - OF- Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Run: 60 | Arm: 45 | Field: 55 | Overall: 45

Donovan & Romero
Detroit Tigers
#4 - Bryce Rainer - SS/3B - Hit: 55 | Power: 60 | Run: 55 | Arm: 70 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55

Seattle Mariners
#4 Ryan Sloan - RHP - Fastball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 55 | Overall: 55
+ Round A comp balance pick
Yes yes yes. Clearly theres deals we would like. How did Rosario go to a 45 oa with all the rest better?

I would love to have Alejandro Rosario in the system, however for now he is recovering from TJ surgery and is not expected to pitch this season.

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