Is Bloom holding out for a slugger-type in a Donovan deal?

[Mort Gage]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

What you, as well as a few others, seem to not understand is that Donovan is not an outstanding player. He's the second best player on a really poor team. He's nothing more than a missing piece on a good team. We aren't going to get a 50 btv player in exchange for a mid 30 btv player.

+1 he’s definitely not a player you build around if he’s the guy you build your team around you will have a bad team. He’s the type of complimentary player you pick up when you have a good team already

Donovan is a really good, versatile MLB player. Don't you wish Gorman and Walker would turn out as good as he is?

Don’t you wish Burleson would turn out as good as he is?

Or is hoping for 3 WAR just a bridge too far for “the next Joey Votto?”

Votto had a 6.6 bWAR his age 27 season. Shady's other Burleson comp Gwynn was at 8.6. I can't wait for Burleson to do similar in his age 27 year and make a huge leap from last year's whopping 1.9 bWAR. I'll be disappointed if he gets less than their 7.6 average.

[Ozziesfan41]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

What you, as well as a few others, seem to not understand is that Donovan is not an outstanding player. He's the second best player on a really poor team. He's nothing more than a missing piece on a good team. We aren't going to get a 50 btv player in exchange for a mid 30 btv player.

+1 he’s definitely not a player you build around if he’s the guy you build your team around you will have a bad team. He’s the type of complimentary player you pick up when you have a good team already

Donovan is a really good, versatile MLB player. Don't you wish Gorman and Walker would turn out as good as he is? Having the hitting combo of Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, very likely, Wetherholt is something, indeed, to build around.

Well they’re complete garbage so if you’re saying would I like them to turn into good players like Donovan instead of being complete garbage sure but that doesn’t make a good player like Donovan an elite player and it doesn’t mean they should keep him. People act like he’s some kind of great player he’s not a great player he’s not elite he’s just good

[ecleme22]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

What you, as well as a few others, seem to not understand is that Donovan is not an outstanding player. He's the second best player on a really poor team. He's nothing more than a missing piece on a good team. We aren't going to get a 50 btv player in exchange for a mid 30 btv player.

+1 he’s definitely not a player you build around if he’s the guy you build your team around you will have a bad team. He’s the type of complimentary player you pick up when you have a good team already

BD is solid and versatile, but the crying from some ( not shady, necessarily) on CardsTalk has been a bit cringey to say the least.

[Ozziesfan41]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

What you, as well as a few others, seem to not understand is that Donovan is not an outstanding player. He's the second best player on a really poor team. He's nothing more than a missing piece on a good team. We aren't going to get a 50 btv player in exchange for a mid 30 btv player.

+1 he’s definitely not a player you build around if he’s the guy you build your team around you will have a bad team. He’s the type of complimentary player you pick up when you have a good team already

BD is solid and versatile, but the crying from some ( not shady, necessarily) on CardsTalk has been a bit cringey to say the least.

I think cardinals fans have forgotten what great and elite players are so they elevate him to a status he doesn’t have also he’s scrappy so that’s automatically going to get cards fans to love him. I like Donovan a lot but I take a more realistic view of him

[Shady]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

What you, as well as a few others, seem to not understand is that Donovan is not an outstanding player. He's the second best player on a really poor team. He's nothing more than a missing piece on a good team. We aren't going to get a 50 btv player in exchange for a mid 30 btv player.

+1 he’s definitely not a player you build around if he’s the guy you build your team around you will have a bad team. He’s the type of complimentary player you pick up when you have a good team already

BD is solid and versatile, but the crying from some ( not shady, necessarily) on CardsTalk has been a bit cringey to say the least.

I think cardinals fans have forgotten what great and elite players are so they elevate him to a status he doesn’t have also he’s scrappy so that’s automatically going to get cards fans to love him. I like Donovan a lot but I take a more realistic view of him

Who are those past Cardinals "great and elite players" at 2B? Tommy Herr, maybe. Do you feel Tommy Herr was really a lot better player, overall, than Brendan Donovan ? I don't. Brendan Donovan is a tremendous baseball player. Astute baseball scouts see that.

[Mort Gage]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

What you, as well as a few others, seem to not understand is that Donovan is not an outstanding player. He's the second best player on a really poor team. He's nothing more than a missing piece on a good team. We aren't going to get a 50 btv player in exchange for a mid 30 btv player.

+1 he’s definitely not a player you build around if he’s the guy you build your team around you will have a bad team. He’s the type of complimentary player you pick up when you have a good team already

BD is solid and versatile, but the crying from some ( not shady, necessarily) on CardsTalk has been a bit cringey to say the least.

I think cardinals fans have forgotten what great and elite players are so they elevate him to a status he doesn’t have also he’s scrappy so that’s automatically going to get cards fans to love him. I like Donovan a lot but I take a more realistic view of him

Who are those past Cardinals "great and elite players" on the infield? Tommy Herr, maybe. Do you feel Tommy Herr was a lot better player, overall, than Brendan Donovan ?

He wasn't referring to past elite players. He is simply saying that Donovan is not an elite player. Neither was Herr. And whether Herr or Donovan was better doesn't matter outside a barstool debate.

[ScotchMIrish]

At 6'7" 240 lb Eldridge has the size to be a legit power hitter. I don't know what kind of pitcher they would be willing to add and I don't know if Cardinals fans are patient enough to wait a couple years to see him in a Cardinals uniform.

[Shady]

Maybe some here that don't feel Donovan is worthy of a substantial return in a trade can clarify what you would accept for Donovan in a trade.

[Mort Gage]

Maybe some here that don't feel Donovan is worthy of a substantial return in a trade can clarify what you would accept for Donovan in a trade.

I thought we were on your "ad foe" list. And it doesn't matter what we think since Bloom doesn't read this board for ideas. I do know that Donovan wouldn't fetch the ridiculous return you propose and you that will regurgitate this thread ad nauseum.

[Hoosier59]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

[scoutyjones2]

Hope so. Either Eldridge from the Giants or Montes from the Mariners. And I hope it includes a high level starting pitching prospect that has a chance to advance quickly. If Bloom doesn't get his trade return demand. It's not the end of the world to keep Donovan. Actually, trading Contreras and Nootbaar and keeping Donovan might be preferable. Especially, if Arenado is moved. Then maybe, DeWitt can save up some money to re-sign Donovan.

Shut up Bobo

[ecleme22]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

[RamFan08NY]

Don’t know what they are shooting for but whatever they get it better be MLB ready or Bloom blew it.

"MLB ready" on a team like the Cardinals doesn't necessarily mean MLB READY.
No team is going to give the Cardinals a better MLB player than what they are acquiring.

[Jatalk]

Don’t know what they are shooting for but whatever they get it better be MLB ready or Bloom blew it.

"MLB ready" on a team like the Cardinals doesn't necessarily mean MLB READY.
No team is going to give the Cardinals a better MLB player than what they are acquiring.

I don’t understand why people down play the type of player Donovan is. He is gold glove caliber defensive player and plays multiple positions at a high level. His offense is more than adequate. He has a high value and the return should be mlb ready.

[Goldfan]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

Donovan will make around 6mil…..whatever they return for him will be much cheaper. He’s not going to return top notch talent so like I said he’ll return another Donny and that player will be cheaper for years into the future. If Bloom accomplishes his mission BDW payroll might be under 100mil. It was recently around 180mil.

[Goldfan]

Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Why dump salary on an outstanding, fairly young player like Donovan? Unless the return is extravagant. I like the thought of having really fine hitters like Donovan, Herrera, Burleson and, hopefully, Wetherholt in the lineup, together, for a few seasons.

Goldfan is wrong.

They’re not trying to dump salary. They are trying to acquire prospects.

What flavor is that “Cool-aid “ your drinking!

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary