rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.
Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.
I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.
And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.
Marte's contract is well below market value.
D' Backs will get value in return without spending a penny.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
Marte is under control for 5 years, Donovan 2.
Marte is the better long term and short term option.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.
Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.
I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.
And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.
Marte's contract is well below market value.
D' Backs will get value in return without spending a penny.
Disagree
$116.5M/6 yrs thru 2031 + $11.5 million player option for 2031 season for a player going into his age 32 season is NOT under market value.
His games played have been on the decline due to injuries:
2023 - 150 GP
2024 - 136 GP
2025 - 126 GP
And it's going to start looking real ugly in:
$20M (2028)/Age 33
$22M (2029)/Age 34
$22M (2030)/Age 35
$11.5m (2031)/Age 36 if/when he exercises the option
To get a fair return they're going to have to east some of that deal.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
Marte is under control for 5 years, Donovan 2.
Marte is the better long term and short term option.
Nope, only L-T for the right team as I outlined above.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.
Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.
I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.
And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.
Marte's contract is well below market value.
D' Backs will get value in return without spending a penny.
Disagree
$116.5M/6 yrs thru 2031 + $11.5 million player option for 2031 season for a player going into his age 32 season is NOT under market value.
His games played have been on the decline due to injuries:
2023 - 150 GP
2024 - 136 GP
2025 - 126 GP
And it's going to start looking real ugly in:
$20M (2028)/Age 33
$22M (2029)/Age 34
$22M (2030)/Age 35
$11.5m (2031)/Age 36 if/when he exercises the option
To get a fair return they're going to have to east some of that deal.
No.
BTV right now has Marte valued at +$69.1 million in excess value.
They are going to get a haul without eating any salary.
He was 4.6 fWAR last year, even playing only 126 games. Even if he drops:
2026 - 4.0 - age 32
2027 - 3.5 - age 33
2028 - 3.0 - age 34
2029 - 2.5 - age 35
2030 - 2.0 - age 36
2031 - 1.0 - age 37
That's ~16 fWAR and a value of $160 million for ~$102.5 million (of which about half of it is far deferred and therefore effectively less).
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.
Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.
I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.
And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.
Marte's contract is well below market value.
D' Backs will get value in return without spending a penny.
Disagree
$116.5M/6 yrs thru 2031 + $11.5 million player option for 2031 season for a player going into his age 32 season is NOT under market value.
His games played have been on the decline due to injuries:
2023 - 150 GP
2024 - 136 GP
2025 - 126 GP
And it's going to start looking real ugly in:
$20M (2028)/Age 33
$22M (2029)/Age 34
$22M (2030)/Age 35
$11.5m (2031)/Age 36 if/when he exercises the option
To get a fair return they're going to have to east some of that deal.
No.
BTV right now has Marte valued at +$69.1 million in excess value.
They are going to get a haul without eating any salary.
He was 4.6 fWAR last year, even playing only 126 games. Even if he drops:
2026 - 4.0 - age 32
2027 - 3.5 - age 33
2028 - 3.0 - age 34
2029 - 2.5 - age 35
2030 - 2.0 - age 36
2031 - 1.0 - age 37
That's ~16 fWAR and a value of $160 million for ~$102.5 million (of which about half of it is far deferred and therefore effectively less).
Meaningless garble all based on CONJECTURE and not actual MLB stats since he hasn't taken an AB in 2026 let alone 2013.
In order to get back a fair return the DBacks will likely have to toss in some money.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.
Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.
I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.
And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.
Marte's contract is well below market value.
D' Backs will get value in return without spending a penny.
Disagree
$116.5M/6 yrs thru 2031 + $11.5 million player option for 2031 season for a player going into his age 32 season is NOT under market value.
His games played have been on the decline due to injuries:
2023 - 150 GP
2024 - 136 GP
2025 - 126 GP
And it's going to start looking real ugly in:
$20M (2028)/Age 33
$22M (2029)/Age 34
$22M (2030)/Age 35
$11.5m (2031)/Age 36 if/when he exercises the option
To get a fair return they're going to have to east some of that deal.
No.
BTV right now has Marte valued at +$69.1 million in excess value.
They are going to get a haul without eating any salary.
He was 4.6 fWAR last year, even playing only 126 games. Even if he drops:
2026 - 4.0 - age 32
2027 - 3.5 - age 33
2028 - 3.0 - age 34
2029 - 2.5 - age 35
2030 - 2.0 - age 36
2031 - 1.0 - age 37
That's ~16 fWAR and a value of $160 million for ~$102.5 million (of which about half of it is far deferred and therefore effectively less).
Meaningless garble all based on CONJECTURE and not actual MLB stats since he hasn't taken an AB in 2026 let alone 2013.
In order to get back a fair return the DBacks will likely have to toss in some money.
Everything about the future for every player is "conjecture," but that is a very valid way of estimating his future value.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.
Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.
I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.
And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.
Marte's contract is well below market value.
D' Backs will get value in return without spending a penny.
Disagree
$116.5M/6 yrs thru 2031 + $11.5 million player option for 2031 season for a player going into his age 32 season is NOT under market value.
His games played have been on the decline due to injuries:
2023 - 150 GP
2024 - 136 GP
2025 - 126 GP
And it's going to start looking real ugly in:
$20M (2028)/Age 33
$22M (2029)/Age 34
$22M (2030)/Age 35
$11.5m (2031)/Age 36 if/when he exercises the option
To get a fair return they're going to have to east some of that deal.
No.
BTV right now has Marte valued at +$69.1 million in excess value.
They are going to get a haul without eating any salary.
He was 4.6 fWAR last year, even playing only 126 games. Even if he drops:
2026 - 4.0 - age 32
2027 - 3.5 - age 33
2028 - 3.0 - age 34
2029 - 2.5 - age 35
2030 - 2.0 - age 36
2031 - 1.0 - age 37
That's ~16 fWAR and a value of $160 million for ~$102.5 million (of which about half of it is far deferred and therefore effectively less).
Meaningless garble all based on CONJECTURE and not actual MLB stats since he hasn't taken an AB in 2026 let alone 2013.
In order to get back a fair return the DBacks will likely have to toss in some money.
Everything about the future for every player is "conjecture," but that is a very valid way of estimating his future value.
And not a chance they include any money.
Key word:
"estimate"
And id they don't include money, then the return won't be strong.
If they want equal talent back, then they'll send some money.
hard to say. Marte clearly has a higher level of accomplishment and more control. But, he is older and might be headed towards downhill production. We may have seen his best days. Plus AZ isn't dealing him because he is beloved in the clubhouse.
Donovan has not reached the same level of production and though the next two years under control might be his best I doubt he reaches Marte. But he is cheaper and a great clubhouse guy.
One other factor is it will likely cost more in prospects AND cash to get Marte.
So no clear answer to OPs question. Depends if you really are already a contender and want to deepen your team or you need an elite player and are willing to bet on marte.
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 16:43 pm
hard to say. Marte clearly has a higher level of accomplishment and more control. But, he is older and might be headed towards downhill production. We may have seen his best days. Plus AZ isn't dealing him because he is beloved in the clubhouse.
Donovan has not reached the same level of production and though the next two years under control might be his best I doubt he reaches Marte. But he is cheaper and a great clubhouse guy.
One other factor is it will likely cost more in prospects AND cash to get Marte.
So no clear answer to OPs question. Depends if you really are already a contender and want to deepen your team or you need an elite player and are willing to bet on marte.
It's a rather large factor that not all teams are in the same position
to handle with the downside of his 35,36, and 37 season.
How about Bichette, IF money isn't a restriction get more prime seasons.
Marte produced $156M in value over the past 5 seasons (age 27-31) which would be his prime.
His BTV value is $69M and he will be paid $80M which means he needs to produce $149M in value over the next 5 seasons (age 32-36) to justify that BTV value. Apparenty BTV doesn't think he will deteriorate much with age.
Nolan Arenado was pretty good in his prime ($193M in 5yrs), but he wasn't able to sustain that past age 33... unless he has a bounce back in 2026.
If only we knew when players are going to succumb to Father Time, we could be rich!
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 08:47 am
-Marte is of course the right short-term move if you think you're team is capable of taking down the Dodgers in the next year or two.
-Donny is the right choice if you're team is just a notch below the Dodgers and needs a couple seasons to let your prospects reach the Show and to add that final piece.
JMO but the M' s land in the "Donny" camp as they're not quite ready to take down the Dodgers.
I would add to it, that Donovan is the right move if you do not have the financial power of the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, etc to spend $102.5 million dollars over the next six years. There are a lot more teams than not in that boat.
Also, fair or not, Marte got the reputation of a bad teammate last year. He apologized for how he handled some things. Donovan doesnot have that hanging over his head. That is important too.
I want to see what team takes Marte and that contract, I'd bet the DBack have to eat big $$$$$ if they want anything back.
And agree, no comparison when it comes to leadership w/Marte sitting out games after his home was robbed.
Marte's contract is well below market value.
D' Backs will get value in return without spending a penny.
Disagree
$116.5M/6 yrs thru 2031 + $11.5 million player option for 2031 season for a player going into his age 32 season is NOT under market value.
His games played have been on the decline due to injuries:
2023 - 150 GP
2024 - 136 GP
2025 - 126 GP
And it's going to start looking real ugly in:
$20M (2028)/Age 33
$22M (2029)/Age 34
$22M (2030)/Age 35
$11.5m (2031)/Age 36 if/when he exercises the option
To get a fair return they're going to have to east some of that deal.
No.
BTV right now has Marte valued at +$69.1 million in excess value.
They are going to get a haul without eating any salary.
He was 4.6 fWAR last year, even playing only 126 games. Even if he drops:
2026 - 4.0 - age 32
2027 - 3.5 - age 33
2028 - 3.0 - age 34
2029 - 2.5 - age 35
2030 - 2.0 - age 36
2031 - 1.0 - age 37
That's ~16 fWAR and a value of $160 million for ~$102.5 million (of which about half of it is far deferred and therefore effectively less).
Meaningless garble all based on CONJECTURE and not actual MLB stats since he hasn't taken an AB in 2026 let alone 2013.
In order to get back a fair return the DBacks will likely have to toss in some money.
Everything about the future for every player is "conjecture," but that is a very valid way of estimating his future value.
And not a chance they include any money.
Exactly.
Bottom line.
If both are traded, D' Backs will get more return for Marte (without kicking in $) than STL will for Donovan - and by a significant measure.
One thing to remember about Marte’s power: the ball carries, even inside in Phoenix. Goldschmidt’s power numbers were nowhere close to what they’d been in Arizona.
The way deferred contracts like Marte’s work is the club has already purchased an annuity that not only will cover the deferred money, but also pay interest. That annuity would offset any money Arizona might send.
cardstatman wrote: ↑18 Dec 2025 18:50 pm
Marte produced $156M in value over the past 5 seasons (age 27-31) which would be his prime.
His BTV value is $69M and he will be paid $80M which means he needs to produce $149M in value over the next 5 seasons (age 32-36) to justify that BTV value. Apparenty BTV doesn't think he will deteriorate much with age.
Nolan Arenado was pretty good in his prime ($193M in 5yrs), but he wasn't able to sustain that past age 33... unless he has a bounce back in 2026.
If only we knew when players are going to succumb to Father Time, we could be rich!
Oddly 2B has one of the highest attrition rates on the diamond.
Marte brings back more if traded. I'm not sure that teams looking at these two
players are the same teams. We'll see I guess but his contract that is considered to be very
reasonable is also only behind Semien and Altuve for 2B with his 34-37 years on it there is
some reasons for hesitations.
Semien was once Marte some will stay away.
