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I've said before - it it's the Mets, I want Nolan McLean.
Wouldn't McLean, and Benge for that matter, be off limits with the Mets? McLean figures into their immediate rotation plans, yes? Unless I missed an injury?
Tong is MLB ready, too...but I figured they would part with him before McLean. Tong fits our current prospect pitching philosophy... "Power Arm".
Put me down for McLean, too...Benge for that matter, but I don't see it happening...unless of course teams get super motivated to hand us the bank account #'s just to land Donovan. That would be great.
Benge would fit perfectly into our....errrr, Benge would be the 1st piece into rectifying our current, putrid OF state.
I don't know that the Mets vision is for their rotation. But if I'm talking to them about Donovan, I'm asking for McLean. And I'm willing to throw in more (Romero, Crooks/Pages, Walker - not necessarily all, but some of them) to make it happen.
I understand where you're coming from.... McLean and Tong are both MLB ready, I just figured the higher regarded McLean would be off limits...anything can happen. GM's get hyper motivated sometimes. Pray the Mets GM gets said motivation this week. I would love McLean...but I would probably love Tong, too... it's epic Slider vs. epic Changeup between the two... pick your poison. RHP is a major need in our Farm...so, I'd consider either a major win.
The Mets aren't known for being completely rational either. They could trade a SP and just plan to go out and buy Valdez if they wanted.
there's a lot of truth to that.
It's an unique situation we find ourselves in.... Seattle and Detroit don't give up prospects...historically speak....The Mets and Red Sox can't get rid of theirs fast enough. The Dodgers can't small trades that no one remembers to stock their system each winter.... Lux to Reds last year.
Like I said, "unique"...I really don't know how this will play out...I pray we're not underwhelmed.
If they get one Top 25 prospect (like McLean) or maybe two Top 100 prospects plus a third "lottery ticket" with upside, that will probably be OK.
you think we can get 60-65 FV player for Donovan straight up? Interesting. I've never considered it during this whole process. I've always assumed players like that were off limits. But like you mentioned, the Mets and their propensity....stranger things, right?
I've always been of the mind and more than comfortable with your option B...2 50-55 FV's with a lottery ticket, IFA bonus pool, or Competitive Balance Pick.
Depends on who you read I suppose. FG has Top 25 prospects like McLean at FV 55 and their Top 100 encompasses FV 50 prospects. MLB.com seems to consistently be about 5 FV higher at each of those levels.
BTV has McLean at +41 and Donovan at +32, so with some minor adds that seems plausible.
I know the trade can happen on paper easily enough....my point is teams letting go of their Top/Top/Top prospects, they become rather stingy on their Top prospects. The Cards have declared JJ and Doyle off limits....29 other teams do the same thing each season. A few exceptions are out there....Padres, Mets, Cubs (recently). I sure hope a team like Seattle are willing to part with an Emerson or Anderson... I doubt the Tigers will let one of their Triad go...all 3 are knocking on AAA/MLB door
I was looking at Bryce Rainer for Detroit, off the top 100 but he is just a 2025 draft pick with a bright future. If we had a guy like that in our system we would probably be calling him off limits too. Your overall point is correct that these teams don't always want to just give up these guys so easy, and all you have to do is put the shoe on the other foot to imagine why. I guess thats where it becomes important to understand the #10-20 guys in each system, not just the top 10. That's where you can find these fast risers or maybe hidden gems. The 45+ category.
I don't have BTV, but to me it looks like if we're going off the values FG places on different FVs (45= ~8M, 50= ~25M, 55= ~45M), then a single 50 FV prospect would be about the correct return for Donovan. To get a 55 FV prospect would be slightly disproportionate with his value. I'm assuming Donovan's BTV is somewhere around 25-30.
I feel like it's going to be a 50 FV + a 45(+), or a package of 45+'s. Maybe a 50 and a pair of 45+'s to dream on would be good. And it all depends on how many of these teams we can survey legitimate returns from. If it ends up being only 2 teams that can make a legitimate offer (and that's all that's interested), then it's going to be hard to get them to choke up those top prospects that they view important to their team. Would there be more teams in the fold if you held Donovan til the deadline??? Tough Tough.
It'll be interesting to see what we're left with after all of this. Will we get back the high ceiling pitchers mattmitch wants (return trade value condensed into single high ceiling talents), or will we get ourselves a big composition of 45+ types. Will it be indiscriminate between pitchers/position players, in a way to simply get the most raw upside value into our system regardless of what the player is. That may be the best route to go as it could bode well for the organization as a whole over the next 1-2 years. However, it would really move the competitive window further out. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Edit = I just caught where mattmitch quoted Donovan's BTV of 32. That figures.