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Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 07:31 am
by sikeston bulldog2
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 06:24 am
Poll question:
Who do you think is the better pitcher going forward- Richard Fitts, or Johan Oviedo?
I’d be pretty confident that it’s Oviedo. I think Fitts is likely to have problems keeping the ball in the yard.
If he has trouble on homers, then that would also indicate good control. If he can diminish the home runs, he might be a reasonable starter.
Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 07:49 am
by An Old Friend
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:31 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 06:24 am
Poll question:
Who do you think is the better pitcher going forward- Richard Fitts, or Johan Oviedo?
I’d be pretty confident that it’s Oviedo. I think Fitts is likely to have problems keeping the ball in the yard.
If he has trouble on homers, then that would also indicate good control. If he can diminish the home runs, he might be a reasonable starter.
OR, he might give up a lot of homeruns.
He needs to miss more bats and become less vulnerable in the zone. So he needs meaningful and incremental improvements to his overall stuff.
If a guy has HR issues in the minors, I think it’s rather atypical that they don’t follow him to the majors.
Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 07:52 am
by sikeston bulldog2
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:31 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 06:24 am
Poll question:
Who do you think is the better pitcher going forward- Richard Fitts, or Johan Oviedo?
I’d be pretty confident that it’s Oviedo. I think Fitts is likely to have problems keeping the ball in the yard.
If he has trouble on homers, then that would also indicate good control. If he can diminish the home runs, he might be a reasonable starter.
OR, he might give up a lot of homeruns.
He needs to miss more bats and become less vulnerable in the zone. So he needs meaningful and incremental improvements to his overall stuff.
If a guy has HR issues in the minors, I think it’s rather atypical that they don’t follow him to the majors.
I hear ya. More likely. If he can miss more bats, is his control good enough at this level to help him become a starter.
Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 08:09 am
by An Old Friend
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:52 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:31 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 06:24 am
Poll question:
Who do you think is the better pitcher going forward- Richard Fitts, or Johan Oviedo?
I’d be pretty confident that it’s Oviedo. I think Fitts is likely to have problems keeping the ball in the yard.
If he has trouble on homers, then that would also indicate good control. If he can diminish the home runs, he might be a reasonable starter.
OR, he might give up a lot of homeruns.
He needs to miss more bats and become less vulnerable in the zone. So he needs meaningful and incremental improvements to his overall stuff.
If a guy has HR issues in the minors, I think it’s rather atypical that they don’t follow him to the majors.
I hear ya. More likely. If he can miss more bats, is his control good enough at this level to help him become a starter.
I mean… he’s certainly a starter on this team but maybe not by the time they’re actually contending.
Fitts is going to give them innings and probably be decent, but I think it’s a low ceiling. Clarke is the ceiling guy in that deal. I view Fitts as a bridge arm.
Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 08:10 am
by sikeston bulldog2
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:09 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:52 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:31 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 06:24 am
Poll question:
Who do you think is the better pitcher going forward- Richard Fitts, or Johan Oviedo?
I’d be pretty confident that it’s Oviedo. I think Fitts is likely to have problems keeping the ball in the yard.
If he has trouble on homers, then that would also indicate good control. If he can diminish the home runs, he might be a reasonable starter.
OR, he might give up a lot of homeruns.
He needs to miss more bats and become less vulnerable in the zone. So he needs meaningful and incremental improvements to his overall stuff.
If a guy has HR issues in the minors, I think it’s rather atypical that they don’t follow him to the majors.
I hear ya. More likely. If he can miss more bats, is his control good enough at this level to help him become a starter.
I mean… he’s certainly a starter on this team but maybe not by the time they’re actually contending.
Fitts is going to give them innings and probably be decent, but I think it’s a low ceiling. Clarke is the ceiling guy in that deal. I view Fitts as a bridge arm.
Good write. Thanx.
Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 08:11 am
by scoutyjones2
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 21:06 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:56 pm
Funny thing is, now matter how many "good trades" the pirates make, it never gets them over the top.
Winning battles but losing the war.
That’s because they don’t have the money to keep players or sign players
Baloney. The owner is rich...
Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 08:16 am
by mattmitchl44
If you are the Red Sox and looking at 2026, you probably prefer to have Oviedo. If you are the Cardinals and looking further down the line, you probably prefer to have Fitts.
Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 08:47 am
by rockondlouie
ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:17 pm
Boston gets Johan Oviedo
Also Tyler Samanuegi & Adonis Guzman
Pirates get Garcia #85 mlb prospect ( former #3 Boston prospect)and Jesus Travieso
Oviedo/4.61 career FiP
Huge overpay by the dumb Sox
Re: Red Sox 5 player deal with Pirates
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 08:53 am
by scoutyjones2
rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:47 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 19:17 pm
Boston gets Johan Oviedo
Also Tyler Samanuegi & Adonis Guzman
Pirates get Garcia #85 mlb prospect ( former #3 Boston prospect)and Jesus Travieso
Oviedo/4.61 career FiP
Huge overpay by the dumb Sox
Head scratcher for sure...must be those Bloom acolytes