Morosi: 'Donovan has huge trade market '

[82birds]

Let's see what Bloom can receive for Donovan. Hopefully more than Johnny bow ties would have.

that's a given

[C-Unit]

At the beginning of the offseason I wanted to keep Donovan but this type of talk is sure exciting. Ready to be impressed with the return.

Donovan is a winning ballplayer on an already good to great team --- he is not a difference maker on an average team, couple that with 2 years of control and anyone who thinks they have a shot to win in the next two years will be bidding. Good luck BD!!

I've made a few posts on here saying i think this could go similar to when the White Sox traded Adam Eaton years ago. Maybe Donovan represents a similar opportunity to find a glitch in the market and get a return even bigger than what the player is really worth. Right player, right time.

If the return on the Eaton trade was that good, the CWS sure didn’t capitalize on it.

What's your point? They shouldn't trade Donovan? The White Sox are bad? They didn't get a good return for Eaton? Do you have a point or are you just being dense?

[Carp4Cy]

At the beginning of the offseason I wanted to keep Donovan but this type of talk is sure exciting. Ready to be impressed with the return.

Donovan is a winning ballplayer on an already good to great team --- he is not a difference maker on an average team, couple that with 2 years of control and anyone who thinks they have a shot to win in the next two years will be bidding. Good luck BD!!

I've made a few posts on here saying i think this could go similar to when the White Sox traded Adam Eaton years ago. Maybe Donovan represents a similar opportunity to find a glitch in the market and get a return even bigger than what the player is really worth. Right player, right time.

If the return on the Eaton trade was that good, the CWS sure didn’t capitalize on it.

What's your point? They shouldn't trade Donovan? The White Sox are bad? They didn't get a good return for Eaton? Do you have a point or are you just being dense?

That judging a trade is not about who receives more Trade Value. The point of the trade is about wins on the field in the following years. Both from the immediate trade as well as from other moves that follow that trade and react to it or build upon it. That’s what makes a good GM, not whether he wins a single trade.
The Nats won the 2019 WS either because of in spite of the Eaton trade. Though his 6 RBIs in the series didn’t hurt.

[Idaho Cards]

Keep Donovan - Pay the man. He's a winner and his type of attitude, approach, and habits rub off on young players. Winning teams are not the sum of their WAR or sum of their RC+. WAR, RC+ are good metrics that help you make decisions, but they fail to consider the intangibles. The best in the business build rosters on objective AND subjective criteria. It's a mix of science and gut. Everyone has the science, few have the gut.

"Baseball is like church, many attend, but few understand."
George Will
Men at Work

[Ozziesfan41]

Keep Donovan - Pay the man. He's a winner and his type of attitude, approach, and habits rub off on young players. Winning teams are not the sum of their WAR or sum of their RC+. WAR, RC+ are good metrics that help you make decisions, but they fail to consider the intangibles. The best in the business build rosters on objective AND subjective criteria. It's a mix of science and gut. Everyone has the science, few have the gut.

"Baseball is like church, many attend, but few understand."
George Will
Men at Work

That would be the absolute worst move bloom could make with Donovan

[hugeCardfan]

I'm on the record for extending Donovan. We need good players too. Still, the chance to fix some of our pitching problem, finds me willing to see where a trade takes us. I trust Bloom to make a really good trade to the point I am willing to back off my position.

Just don't screw this one up. If Bloom can really help us, go ahead with a trade. If not, I am sanguine to keep him as an icon. He's a class act.

[JuanAgosto]

Let's see what Bloom can receive for Donovan. Hopefully more than Johnny bow ties would have.

that's a given

Especially over the last 5 years. That guy wasn't even trying.

[renostl]

I'm on the record for extending Donovan. We need good players too. Still, the chance to fix some of our pitching problem, finds me willing to see where a trade takes us. I trust Bloom to make a really good trade to the point I am willing to back off my position.

Just don't screw this one up. If Bloom can really help us, go ahead with a trade. If not, I am sanguine to keep him as an icon. He's a class act.

If they could sign BD for the next 5 seasons keeping him can make sense. Debatable anyway.
It takes both sides to agree though and we aren't on
the inside to know. If his tenure is only the next 2 seasons, it becomes a fairly easy choice

But yeah there's a reason contenders want him.

[Whatashame]

Most of us have seen many of the articles written as pundits have suggested “proposed trades” involving Donovan and supposedly interested teams. Some of the trades suggested I just went MEH but some of the trades suggested I thought to myself please let that be true.

Donovan is a nice player and it’s great to hear that there’s lots of interest. I’m not interested in just moving Donovan because his salary is going up BUT if Bloom and the Cardinals could actually get 2-3 mid to high level prospects for a reasonably priced all star like Donovan then they would be foolish not to do that.

I hope Bloom has a good grasp of the trade market and a good understanding of what these teams are offering.

[icon]

I'm on the record for extending Donovan. We need good players too. Still, the chance to fix some of our pitching problem, finds me willing to see where a trade takes us. I trust Bloom to make a really good trade to the point I am willing to back off my position.

Just don't screw this one up. If Bloom can really help us, go ahead with a trade. If not, I am sanguine to keep him as an icon. He's a class act.

An icon? That seems a little hyperbolic. He's not going to get a statue. Icon should be reserved for guys like Pujols and Molina.

And he is not going to be extended. He wants to test free agency in 2 years. Cardinals would be foolish not to trade him considering this is a rebuild.

[WaltsSuccessor]

I'm on the record for extending Donovan. We need good players too. Still, the chance to fix some of our pitching problem, finds me willing to see where a trade takes us. I trust Bloom to make a really good trade to the point I am willing to back off my position.

Just don't screw this one up. If Bloom can really help us, go ahead with a trade. If not, I am sanguine to keep him as an icon. He's a class act.

If they could sign BD for the next 5 seasons keeping him can make sense. Debatable anyway.
It takes both sides to agree though and we aren't on
the inside to know. If his tenure is only the next 2 seasons, it becomes a fairly easy choice

But yeah there's a reason contenders want him.

Nothing that says we can’t trade him then pursue him in free agency after 2027. That’d bring back a good player more aligned with our competitive window (hopefully) while also getting the young talent in return.

[ramfandan]

Keep Donovan - Pay the man. He's a winner and his type of attitude, approach, and habits rub off on young players. Winning teams are not the sum of their WAR or sum of their RC+. WAR, RC+ are good metrics that help you make decisions, but they fail to consider the intangibles. The best in the business build rosters on objective AND subjective criteria. It's a mix of science and gut. Everyone has the science, few have the gut.

"Baseball is like church, many attend, but few understand."
George Will
Men at Work

Guess the decision for me is… Are the Cardinals better off keeping him for 2 years ( thinking he will go to free agency)and then get a draft pick for him OR having him depart NOW and getting a haul fir him .
If the FO thinks keeping him for 2 years might win us s championship you keep him but if you are FO and feel keeping him won’t have you win a title, then you go the latter.

Part of decision is if you feel Donovan would sign long term. Apparently the two sides discussed that last year with Fonivan’s camp not conducive to doing so.

[rockondlouie]

Yep

C. Bloom is going to let the suitors lineup and start the bidding war!

Donny should bring back some real value since every contender in MLB will want him.

[ramfandan]

The Winter Meetings may be quite exciting for Cardinal fans this year. Haven’t seen this much ‘buzz’ from media on Cardinsls for several years.

[billybaseball]

At the beginning of the offseason I wanted to keep Donovan but this type of talk is sure exciting. Ready to be impressed with the return.

Donovan is a winning ballplayer on an already good to great team --- he is not a difference maker on an average team, couple that with 2 years of control and anyone who thinks they have a shot to win in the next two years will be bidding. Good luck BD!!

I've made a few posts on here saying i think this could go similar to when the White Sox traded Adam Eaton years ago. Maybe Donovan represents a similar opportunity to find a glitch in the market and get a return even bigger than what the player is really worth. Right player, right time.

If the return on the Eaton trade was that good, the CWS sure didn’t capitalize on it.

The White Sox got the Nationals 1st(Lucas Giolito), 3rd(Reynaldo Lopez) and 6th(Dane Dunning) prospects. It doesn't matter what happened with them afterwards. It just goes to show what an overpayment for a player of similar value to Donovan looks like. I'd say Donovan is a step below Eaton but the intangibles are very similar.

[TraveledLessRoad]

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Was on MLB Tonight this evening ..
said Donovan has a massive market to the point that it is "as much action in the trade market as any other player in Major League Baseball."

"The question is actually not so much who is in on Donovan, but who is not," Morosi said.

Thanks for info. I would say that puts Donovan in the as good as gone maybe 1% chance he stays category

Quite welcome, Ozzie ! One thing is that with this kind of volume of interest , that certainly drives up the offers from teams as they know they are one of many looking to trade for him . Teams will make offers and then later will 'up the ante' if they feel they need to go a bit higher to get Bloom to swing a deal for him . Bloom in great spot to drive up the bidding as he gets to the final 2 or 3 teams willing to pony up a package.

yup

Can't recall the deal but some years ago , a big deal went down like this .. The team with a Donovan type was OK with the main guy offered in the trade but for the 2nd best guy the two teams were at odds slightly . The team trading the Donovan requested Player A prospect I will call him .the other team said No, not A but our next guy down on our list we will do . Things were not quite there.

So the Donovan team said OK Here is what we will do .. We MUST have Player A to complete the deal Sooo we will give you a lower prospect to add in the deal . Here is a list of 3 players ( probably like 20th or lower ) , you guys can select any ONE of those 3 guys your choice. The team said OK and the deal got done. Sometimes the deals end that way when you need to break the final logjam.

Was that deal the deal where we traded Alcantara, Gallen + for Marcel Ozuna?