Different trade idea

[kyace]

Yankees have Spencer Jones who is a plus defender in center field who can hit 30 to 40 homers. He also can steal bases. Yes he will strike out a lot and won’t hit for a high average but he is Scott with power.
Yankees are looking at high contact hitters who get on base. Nootbaar would interest them more than Scott. If need be they can move Chisholm to center and trade for Donovan.

[rockondlouie]

The Yankees obviously have a ton of offense but were terrible defensively in CF last year (29th of 30). Maybe call them up and see if the Cardinals can offload Victor Scott to them.

His all-defense profile might work a lot better for a team that doesn't need offensive production from him.

All defensive players are a dime a dozen….why would the Yankees give up anything of value for a glove only CF?
They could just sign Bader back or Siani……I don’t see a deal with the Yankees and Scott at all. Scott is a throw in at this point.

Well, there aren't a LOT of CFs who were as good defensively as Scott last year. And, while I don't think the Cardinals would get a lot for him, this might be the time to sell as high as possible on him.

Are we sure, after only 618 PA's, we're "selling high" or is there a chance he could develop and improve?

I'd hate to give away (and you'd be giving him away to the Yankees for c r a p) a Gold Glove caliber CF'er who could steal 50+ bases if he can get his OB% above .330.

Pass

He hasn't posted an OBP above .305 since AA. That's a long way from .330.

Not really

Ozzie Smith had a career .295 OB% in 2536 PA's while w/the Padres.

When Whitey acquired him he made him a bet:

$1 for Ozzie every time he hit a ball on the ground vs $1 for Whitey for every time he hit a ball in the air that wasn't a hit.

His first year in St. Louis his OB% JUMPED to .339.

As a Cardinals he became a .350 OB% hitter, a LONG WAY from the .295 OB% hitter he was in SD.

If they can get VSII to hit down on the ball, ala Ozzie Smith when Whitey got him to do that, then he could add another 10+ infield hits.

Plus if someone takes him aside this spring and works on his bunting, then he could easily add 10+ hits.

No way I give away a young, Gold Glove caliber CF'er w/his speed to the Yankees for nothing but a suspect.

O. Smith was hitting down on the ball on an Astroturf field. Scott isn't.

And VSII has superior speed to Ozzie, so what's your point?

[rockondlouie]

The Yankees obviously have a ton of offense but were terrible defensively in CF last year (29th of 30). Maybe call them up and see if the Cardinals can offload Victor Scott to them.

His all-defense profile might work a lot better for a team that doesn't need offensive production from him.

All defensive players are a dime a dozen….why would the Yankees give up anything of value for a glove only CF?
They could just sign Bader back or Siani……I don’t see a deal with the Yankees and Scott at all. Scott is a throw in at this point.

Well, there aren't a LOT of CFs who were as good defensively as Scott last year. And, while I don't think the Cardinals would get a lot for him, this might be the time to sell as high as possible on him.

Are we sure, after only 618 PA's, we're "selling high" or is there a chance he could develop and improve?

I'd hate to give away (and you'd be giving him away to the Yankees for c r a p) a Gold Glove caliber CF'er who could steal 50+ bases if he can get his OB% above .330.

Pass

He hasn't posted an OBP above .305 since AA. That's a long way from .330.

Not really

Ozzie Smith had a career .295 OB% in 2536 PA's while w/the Padres.

When Whitey acquired him he made him a bet:

$1 for Ozzie every time he hit a ball on the ground vs $1 for Whitey for every time he hit a ball in the air that wasn't a hit.

His first year in St. Louis his OB% JUMPED to .339.

As a Cardinals he became a .350 OB% hitter, a LONG WAY from the .295 OB% hitter he was in SD.

If they can get VSII to hit down on the ball, ala Ozzie Smith when Whitey got him to do that, then he could add another 10+ infield hits.

Plus if someone takes him aside this spring and works on his bunting, then he could easily add 10+ hits.

No way I give away a young, Gold Glove caliber CF'er w/his speed to the Yankees for nothing but a suspect.

When has Argo won a GG? With PCA, doubt he ever wins one

Re: CALIBER

[mattmitchl44]

The Yankees obviously have a ton of offense but were terrible defensively in CF last year (29th of 30). Maybe call them up and see if the Cardinals can offload Victor Scott to them.

His all-defense profile might work a lot better for a team that doesn't need offensive production from him.

All defensive players are a dime a dozen….why would the Yankees give up anything of value for a glove only CF?
They could just sign Bader back or Siani……I don’t see a deal with the Yankees and Scott at all. Scott is a throw in at this point.

Well, there aren't a LOT of CFs who were as good defensively as Scott last year. And, while I don't think the Cardinals would get a lot for him, this might be the time to sell as high as possible on him.

Are we sure, after only 618 PA's, we're "selling high" or is there a chance he could develop and improve?

I'd hate to give away (and you'd be giving him away to the Yankees for c r a p) a Gold Glove caliber CF'er who could steal 50+ bases if he can get his OB% above .330.

Pass

He hasn't posted an OBP above .305 since AA. That's a long way from .330.

Not really

Ozzie Smith had a career .295 OB% in 2536 PA's while w/the Padres.

When Whitey acquired him he made him a bet:

$1 for Ozzie every time he hit a ball on the ground vs $1 for Whitey for every time he hit a ball in the air that wasn't a hit.

His first year in St. Louis his OB% JUMPED to .339.

As a Cardinals he became a .350 OB% hitter, a LONG WAY from the .295 OB% hitter he was in SD.

If they can get VSII to hit down on the ball, ala Ozzie Smith when Whitey got him to do that, then he could add another 10+ infield hits.

Plus if someone takes him aside this spring and works on his bunting, then he could easily add 10+ hits.

No way I give away a young, Gold Glove caliber CF'er w/his speed to the Yankees for nothing but a suspect.

O. Smith was hitting down on the ball on an Astroturf field. Scott isn't.

And VSII has superior speed to Ozzie, so what's your point?

That it's very unlikely to be effective for him.

[rockondlouie]

The Yankees obviously have a ton of offense but were terrible defensively in CF last year (29th of 30). Maybe call them up and see if the Cardinals can offload Victor Scott to them.

His all-defense profile might work a lot better for a team that doesn't need offensive production from him.

All defensive players are a dime a dozen….why would the Yankees give up anything of value for a glove only CF?
They could just sign Bader back or Siani……I don’t see a deal with the Yankees and Scott at all. Scott is a throw in at this point.

Well, there aren't a LOT of CFs who were as good defensively as Scott last year. And, while I don't think the Cardinals would get a lot for him, this might be the time to sell as high as possible on him.

Are we sure, after only 618 PA's, we're "selling high" or is there a chance he could develop and improve?

I'd hate to give away (and you'd be giving him away to the Yankees for c r a p) a Gold Glove caliber CF'er who could steal 50+ bases if he can get his OB% above .330.

Pass

He hasn't posted an OBP above .305 since AA. That's a long way from .330.

Not really

Ozzie Smith had a career .295 OB% in 2536 PA's while w/the Padres.

When Whitey acquired him he made him a bet:

$1 for Ozzie every time he hit a ball on the ground vs $1 for Whitey for every time he hit a ball in the air that wasn't a hit.

His first year in St. Louis his OB% JUMPED to .339.

As a Cardinals he became a .350 OB% hitter, a LONG WAY from the .295 OB% hitter he was in SD.

If they can get VSII to hit down on the ball, ala Ozzie Smith when Whitey got him to do that, then he could add another 10+ infield hits.

Plus if someone takes him aside this spring and works on his bunting, then he could easily add 10+ hits.

No way I give away a young, Gold Glove caliber CF'er w/his speed to the Yankees for nothing but a suspect.

O. Smith was hitting down on the ball on an Astroturf field. Scott isn't.

And VSII has superior speed to Ozzie, so what's your point?

That it's very unlikely to be effective for him.

Disagree 100%

Hitting down on the ball (and bunting) allows him to take advantage of his best asset, his speed.

[mattmitchl44]

The Yankees obviously have a ton of offense but were terrible defensively in CF last year (29th of 30). Maybe call them up and see if the Cardinals can offload Victor Scott to them.

His all-defense profile might work a lot better for a team that doesn't need offensive production from him.

All defensive players are a dime a dozen….why would the Yankees give up anything of value for a glove only CF?
They could just sign Bader back or Siani……I don’t see a deal with the Yankees and Scott at all. Scott is a throw in at this point.

Well, there aren't a LOT of CFs who were as good defensively as Scott last year. And, while I don't think the Cardinals would get a lot for him, this might be the time to sell as high as possible on him.

Are we sure, after only 618 PA's, we're "selling high" or is there a chance he could develop and improve?

I'd hate to give away (and you'd be giving him away to the Yankees for c r a p) a Gold Glove caliber CF'er who could steal 50+ bases if he can get his OB% above .330.

Pass

He hasn't posted an OBP above .305 since AA. That's a long way from .330.

Not really

Ozzie Smith had a career .295 OB% in 2536 PA's while w/the Padres.

When Whitey acquired him he made him a bet:

$1 for Ozzie every time he hit a ball on the ground vs $1 for Whitey for every time he hit a ball in the air that wasn't a hit.

His first year in St. Louis his OB% JUMPED to .339.

As a Cardinals he became a .350 OB% hitter, a LONG WAY from the .295 OB% hitter he was in SD.

If they can get VSII to hit down on the ball, ala Ozzie Smith when Whitey got him to do that, then he could add another 10+ infield hits.

Plus if someone takes him aside this spring and works on his bunting, then he could easily add 10+ hits.

No way I give away a young, Gold Glove caliber CF'er w/his speed to the Yankees for nothing but a suspect.

O. Smith was hitting down on the ball on an Astroturf field. Scott isn't.

And VSII has superior speed to Ozzie, so what's your point?

That it's very unlikely to be effective for him.

Disagree 100%

Hitting down on the ball (and bunting) allows him to take advantage of his best asset, his speed.

Well, because he can't hurt them, pitchers can attack him up in the strike zone all the time. Makes it hard to consistently get on top of the ball.

[ecleme22]

The Yankees obviously have a ton of offense but were terrible defensively in CF last year (29th of 30). Maybe call them up and see if the Cardinals can offload Victor Scott to them.

His all-defense profile might work a lot better for a team that doesn't need offensive production from him.

This is hopefully where talent evaluation comes in. Does Bloom and Co feel Scott is a longer term commodity and will improve? Or do they feel 2025 is his ceiling?

Side note: that 9.1% walk rate in 2025 is an encouraging stat.

[mattmitchl44]

The Yankees obviously have a ton of offense but were terrible defensively in CF last year (29th of 30). Maybe call them up and see if the Cardinals can offload Victor Scott to them.

His all-defense profile might work a lot better for a team that doesn't need offensive production from him.

This is hopefully where talent evaluation comes in. Does Bloom and Co feel Scott is a longer term commodity and will improve? Or do they feel 2025 is his ceiling?

Side note: that 9.1% walk rate in 2025 is an encouraging stat.

IMO, it's more about fit right now.

If the Cardinals were a Top 10 offense now with a trajectory that looked like they could improve soon to Top 5, I'd say keep him and see if you can't carry him even if his offense remains subpar. But I don't see that for this team within the next 2, 3, 4 years.

He's a useful puzzle piece. I'm just not sure he's as useful a puzzle piece for the Cardinals as he would be for a team with a much better offense.

I think he COULD have more value to the Yankees than to the Cardinals, and I'd at least inquire with the Yankees on that basis.

[rockondlouie]

The Yankees obviously have a ton of offense but were terrible defensively in CF last year (29th of 30). Maybe call them up and see if the Cardinals can offload Victor Scott to them.

His all-defense profile might work a lot better for a team that doesn't need offensive production from him.

All defensive players are a dime a dozen….why would the Yankees give up anything of value for a glove only CF?
They could just sign Bader back or Siani……I don’t see a deal with the Yankees and Scott at all. Scott is a throw in at this point.

Well, there aren't a LOT of CFs who were as good defensively as Scott last year. And, while I don't think the Cardinals would get a lot for him, this might be the time to sell as high as possible on him.

Are we sure, after only 618 PA's, we're "selling high" or is there a chance he could develop and improve?

I'd hate to give away (and you'd be giving him away to the Yankees for c r a p) a Gold Glove caliber CF'er who could steal 50+ bases if he can get his OB% above .330.

Pass

He hasn't posted an OBP above .305 since AA. That's a long way from .330.

Not really

Ozzie Smith had a career .295 OB% in 2536 PA's while w/the Padres.

When Whitey acquired him he made him a bet:

$1 for Ozzie every time he hit a ball on the ground vs $1 for Whitey for every time he hit a ball in the air that wasn't a hit.

His first year in St. Louis his OB% JUMPED to .339.

As a Cardinals he became a .350 OB% hitter, a LONG WAY from the .295 OB% hitter he was in SD.

If they can get VSII to hit down on the ball, ala Ozzie Smith when Whitey got him to do that, then he could add another 10+ infield hits.

Plus if someone takes him aside this spring and works on his bunting, then he could easily add 10+ hits.

No way I give away a young, Gold Glove caliber CF'er w/his speed to the Yankees for nothing but a suspect.

O. Smith was hitting down on the ball on an Astroturf field. Scott isn't.

And VSII has superior speed to Ozzie, so what's your point?

That it's very unlikely to be effective for him.

Disagree 100%

Hitting down on the ball (and bunting) allows him to take advantage of his best asset, his speed.

Well, because he can't hurt them, pitchers can attack him up in the strike zone all the time. Makes it hard to consistently get on top of the ball.

And if they do, then his odds of walking and/or them making a mistake (up) could lead to more hits!

[ilcubuffs]

"How does a team "let" a player sign with another team? The player has a say in it"

Cute. Naive but cute.

Scott Boras is Bellingers agent. Yankees, Dodgers, etc are one of the financial gods of MLB. So if Yanks and Boras want the deal you are naive enough to believe Bellinger will say no. Boras comments indicate Bellinger want to play for a "winning team" and likes NY.

Please provide an intelligent scenario where Bellinger would not want the fame, success, and money that comes with NY.