Okay, So No Donovan, No Gray and No Arenado--Is that about it?

[mattmitchl44]

Fine.
Sounds like you're going to get your way.
This will most likely be a complete rebuild.
So, what happens when these prospects they acquire, along with the current crop, don't pan out?
Then what?
Perpetual rebuild.
The franchise already took a massive hit the past few seasons.
They might just run it to the ground.
FYI, striking gold when it comes to prospects is hard.
Probably more unlikely than likely.
We have to hope our scouts are smarter than theirs.
Not sure that's the case.

No one disagrees that the Cardinals organization HAS TO get better at identifying, obtaining, and developing prospects.

But, really, there is no alternative.

They just can't compete with the spending of the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. unless they are about a Top 5 organization in terms of developing and delivering cost controlled young talent to the ML team.

So, however improbable one might think that is, when every other path to really being competitive is impossible, that which is just improbable must the truth.

Let's just not fool everyone into thinking this will be some 2 year project.
With a plan such as yours and the current state of the team, it will be much longer.

I'm not guaranteeing any two year turnaround. It could be 2, 3, 4 years before this all gets sorted.

But it has to get sorted and it just takes as long as it takes.

[ecleme22]

If that's the plan this team will not even compete with the Pirates.
Maybe it will be a toss-up with Colorado as to who maintains the worst record.
Absolutely no reason to watch in 2026.
I guess this is what a rebuild looks like though.
Have to hope some of the young guys finally do something.
But what if that doesn't happen?
Oh, that will just take us to multiyear rebuild(s)......

A thorough rebuild will always take multiple years…

and if a club is not competing for the division….it does not matter who they are competing with..

Well, that's what I essentially said candy.
If they opt to trade Gray and Donovan, then it's a complete overhaul.
I don't know that they need a complete overhaul.
But whatever.

"If they opt to trade Gray and Donovan, then it's a complete overhaul."

LOL, then that's the tamest complete overhaul in the history of MLB. Jeez...

[Bully4you]

If that's the plan this team will not even compete with the Pirates.
Maybe it will be a toss-up with Colorado as to who maintains the worst record.
Absolutely no reason to watch in 2026.
I guess this is what a rebuild looks like though.
Have to hope some of the young guys finally do something.
But what if that doesn't happen?
Oh, that will just take us to multiyear rebuild(s)......

A thorough rebuild will always take multiple years…

and if a club is not competing for the division….it does not matter who they are competing with..

Well, that's what I essentially said candy.
If they opt to trade Gray and Donovan, then it's a complete overhaul.
I don't know that they need a complete overhaul.
But whatever.

"If they opt to trade Gray and Donovan, then it's a complete overhaul."

LOL, then that's the tamest complete overhaul in the history of MLB. Jeez...

I never said they stop there.
I think Willson gone.
Noot gone, if someone will take him.
Arenado gone.
Probably some pitchers too.
Just relax ecleme.

[ecleme22]

If that's the plan this team will not even compete with the Pirates.
Maybe it will be a toss-up with Colorado as to who maintains the worst record.
Absolutely no reason to watch in 2026.
I guess this is what a rebuild looks like though.
Have to hope some of the young guys finally do something.
But what if that doesn't happen?
Oh, that will just take us to multiyear rebuild(s)......

A thorough rebuild will always take multiple years…

and if a club is not competing for the division….it does not matter who they are competing with..

Well, that's what I essentially said candy.
If they opt to trade Gray and Donovan, then it's a complete overhaul.
I don't know that they need a complete overhaul.
But whatever.

"If they opt to trade Gray and Donovan, then it's a complete overhaul."

LOL, then that's the tamest complete overhaul in the history of MLB. Jeez...

I never said they stop there.
I think Willson gone.
Noot gone, if someone will take him.
Arenado gone.
Probably some pitchers too.
Just relax ecleme.

That isn't exactly Murder's Row.

Keep in mind they will add 2-5 FAs on one year deals.

You can cry over Noot and Arenado leaving. I will lose no sleep.

[Dicktar2023]

If that's the plan this team will not even compete with the Pirates.
Maybe it will be a toss-up with Colorado as to who maintains the worst record.
Absolutely no reason to watch in 2026.
I guess this is what a rebuild looks like though.
Have to hope some of the young guys finally do something.
But what if that doesn't happen?
Oh, that will just take us to multiyear rebuild(s)......

This why I'm skeptical the rebuild is actually happening. Even if Bloom wants to tear it all the way down and start over, is BDW ok with winning 60ish games the couple of seasons?

I'll believe that when I see it.

More likely we get half measures, like trading Donovan but keeping Gray, etc.

[82birds]

If that's the plan this team will not even compete with the Pirates.
Maybe it will be a toss-up with Colorado as to who maintains the worst record.
Absolutely no reason to watch in 2026.
I guess this is what a rebuild looks like though.
Have to hope some of the young guys finally do something.
But what if that doesn't happen?
Oh, that will just take us to multiyear rebuild(s)......

A thorough rebuild will always take multiple years…

and if a club is not competing for the division….it does not matter who they are competing with..

Well, that's what I essentially said candy.
If they opt to trade Gray and Donovan, then it's a complete overhaul.
I don't know that they need a complete overhaul.
But whatever.

Sonny Gray is 36…..and making more money than his performance justifies

Donovan is a nice player but will walk before the club is ready to win…

Really not much reason to keep them…

to me, Donovan is more than a "nice player". which is why he should bring someone or someones that has have really good potential.

but I agree he will walk before the club is ready to win.

[82birds]

If that's the plan this team will not even compete with the Pirates.
Maybe it will be a toss-up with Colorado as to who maintains the worst record.
Absolutely no reason to watch in 2026.
I guess this is what a rebuild looks like though.
Have to hope some of the young guys finally do something.
But what if that doesn't happen?
Oh, that will just take us to multiyear rebuild(s)......

This why I'm skeptical the rebuild is actually happening. Even if Bloom wants to tear it all the way down and start over, is BDW ok with winning 60ish games the couple of seasons?

I'll believe that when I see it.

More likely we get half measures, like trading Donovan but keeping Gray, etc.

half-measures MO is gone, so there is at least some hope.

[Dicktar2023]

If that's the plan this team will not even compete with the Pirates.
Maybe it will be a toss-up with Colorado as to who maintains the worst record.
Absolutely no reason to watch in 2026.
I guess this is what a rebuild looks like though.
Have to hope some of the young guys finally do something.
But what if that doesn't happen?
Oh, that will just take us to multiyear rebuild(s)......

This why I'm skeptical the rebuild is actually happening. Even if Bloom wants to tear it all the way down and start over, is BDW ok with winning 60ish games the couple of seasons?

I'll believe that when I see it.

More likely we get half measures, like trading Donovan but keeping Gray, etc.

half-measures MO is gone, so there is at least some hope.

We're about to find out if Mo was really the problem. I hope he was.

[Pura Vida]

If that's the plan this team will not even compete with the Pirates.
Maybe it will be a toss-up with Colorado as to who maintains the worst record.
Absolutely no reason to watch in 2026.
I guess this is what a rebuild looks like though.
Have to hope some of the young guys finally do something.
But what if that doesn't happen?
Oh, that will just take us to multiyear rebuild(s)......

Your headline is a salary dump. Always seemed to be positioning the team to be sold, including the hiring of Bloom.

[Hoosier59]

As has been stated in other threads, the Cardinals aren’t doing a rebuild, they are doing a tear down, and simply going cheap. They have no intention of trying to compete until after the lock out! The DeWitts are going to try and pocket as much money as they can until then.
Also, the only reason Donovan won’t be around after the lock out, is because DeWitt doesnt want to pay him! No way Donovan wants to leave, they just won’t offer him an extension! I don’t think Bloom is going to make any difference at all, other than maybe getting back better prospects in trades than Mo would have.