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rbirules wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 20:24 pm Judge's OPS is almost 200 points higher. He had a wRC+ over 200, only done four times in the last ten years, three times by Judge.

He was the best player in baseball this year.

Judge was by far the overall better hitter. Not even close.

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 21:33 pm

rbirules wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 20:24 pm Judge's OPS is almost 200 points higher. He had a wRC+ over 200, only done four times in the last ten years, three times by Judge.

He was the best player in baseball this year.

Only 7 players have hit 60+ in a season. Cal did it this year playing a ton of games at catcher and in the toughest park factor park.

3 of those major roid users. Bonds Sosa and Mac

This was a legendary season won worthy of MVP. We’ll never see a catcher dominate offensively like this again.

Offensive numbers aren’t apples to apples. The position has to be weighed into the voting and war is merely directional.

I agree, great season worthy of an MVP. It just happened to coincide with Judge having a better year.

rbirules wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 06:38 am

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 21:33 pm

rbirules wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 20:24 pm Judge's OPS is almost 200 points higher. He had a wRC+ over 200, only done four times in the last ten years, three times by Judge.

He was the best player in baseball this year.

Only 7 players have hit 60+ in a season. Cal did it this year playing a ton of games at catcher and in the toughest park factor park.

3 of those major roid users. Bonds Sosa and Mac

This was a legendary season won worthy of MVP. We’ll never see a catcher dominate offensively like this again.

Offensive numbers aren’t apples to apples. The position has to be weighed into the voting and war is merely directional.

I agree, great season worthy of an MVP. It just happened to coincide with Judge having a better year.

Yes. A nice year. As noted just so happens another player had a better year, and not remotely close.

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 19:44 pm What the heck…..

Of course he did.

The season ended two months ago, I cant muster up more than a shrug to care about this.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 20:16 pm If Raleigh had been a yankee he would have won it

No doubt. Doing what he did while catching is amazing.

I remember when Stargell and Keith Hernandez tied.

Also, remember when Bonds beat Pujols a couple of times.

It always helps to be a Yankee.

I have always thought it should go to the player that helped his team the most, not always by stats.

Judge had awesome stats.

I was wrong though.

I thought the Big Dumper hitting the 60 HR's/125 RBI's and leading the M's to the playoffs for the first time in 25 yrs deserved the award,

I believe the final vote counts was 17 to 13 on the first place votes in favor of Judge.

While not one stat category determines the top guy ( Raleigh did have the 7 HR advantage ) ,
I am thinking the OPS differential could have swayed a few more voters to Judge.
.196 better OPS 1.144 to 0.948 Judge was 1st with Raleigh 4th To see what a .196 difference gap is , if you go down .196 from Raleigh to that spot , it would be 77th William Contreras of Brewers .
It was probably just too much for some voters to overcome though as I say both played outstanding this year . Being No. 2 to Judge is pretty fantastic .

Pujols losing out to Bonds comes to mind.

It will be interesting to see if Judge falls off quickly or not as he enters his decline years.

He's 33 years old and sits at 368 HRs.

If he averages let's say 40 HRs per year through his age 40 season, he will get to roughly 650 HR's. Bonds has the record at 762. Will Judge be able to stay healthy to challenge the all-time record? Will be interesting to follow.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 09:15 am Pujols losing out to Bonds comes to mind.

Bar-Roid cost Albert two MVP awards.

Even worse was the year R. Howard stole the MVP from Albert.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 11:02 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 09:15 am Pujols losing out to Bonds comes to mind.

Bar-Roid cost Albert two MVP awards.

Even worse was the year R. Howard stole the MVP from Albert.

Funny enough, the Pujols/Howard 2006 comparison is very similar to this years Judge/Raleigh, with Howard only beating out Pujols in HR and RBI counting stats.

In 2006, Howard had 58 HRs and 149 RBI (more than Pujols), but .313 AVG, .425 OBP, 1.084 OPS, and 167 OPS+ (all trailing Pujols.

Pujols put up 49 HRs and 137 RBIs with a .331 AVG, .431 OBP, 1.102 OPS, and 178 OPS+

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 11:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 11:02 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 09:15 am Pujols losing out to Bonds comes to mind.

Bar-Roid cost Albert two MVP awards.

Even worse was the year R. Howard stole the MVP from Albert.

Funny enough, the Pujols/Howard 2006 comparison is very similar to this years Judge/Raleigh, with Howard only beating out Pujols in HR and RBI counting stats.

In 2006, Howard had 58 HRs and 149 RBI (more than Pujols), but .313 AVG, .425 OBP, 1.084 OPS, and 167 OPS+ (all trailing Pujols.

Pujols put up 49 HRs and 137 RBIs with a .331 AVG, .431 OBP, 1.102 OPS, and 178 OPS+

And of course the Cardinals went on to win the WS that year too, Albert was robbed.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 11:02 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2025 09:15 am Pujols losing out to Bonds comes to mind.

Bar-Roid cost Albert two MVP awards.

Even worse was the year R. Howard stole the MVP from Albert.

Bonds don't cost Pujols anything. Bonds deserved the MVP. We could discuss Pujols beating out Derek Lee in 2005 though.