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Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 16:32 pm
by imyourhuckleberry
One sentence defense...
"My interpreter did it."
Worked for the face of baseball, surely the same will apply to these guys.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 16:42 pm
by Konstantinov
I bet every single game we watch today has at least one player on the take.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 17:00 pm
by swatski
CCard wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:15 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:05 pm
Like anything else out there today, these billionaires care much more about enriching themselves by any means necessary than they do the actual product that they are putting out, or the people who work for them.
Speak the truth brother. Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Doesn't leave much room for interpretation does it.
Except that the translation referring to the needle also can be interpreted as a mountain pass. There was a very narrow one called the needle back in biblical times.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 17:47 pm
by Ozziesfan41
I don’t know why people are surprised and people that think them legalizing it is somehow going to make it happen are naive there’s always been betting on baseball from
The black socks to Pete rose it’s always been there a lot of them have gotten away with it but it will be easier to catch them now
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 17:52 pm
by DwaininAztec
CCard wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:15 pm
Speak the truth brother. Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Doesn't leave much room for interpretation does it.
But it was funny back then to see Jesus hold up a needle in front of a camel.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 19:55 pm
by An Old Friend
ramfandan wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:18 pm
I can just see the closing arguments in the trial of the pitcher. Defense lawyer tell the journey . You don't truly think that a well paid athlete would risk up to 65 years in prison to make an alleged 5 or 7 grand. That. ridiculous . They aren't that dumb to risk that .
Prosectur follo-up to journey ' in response to the defendant attorney comments, who ever said criminals were smart ?
They’re not doing it for the money. They’re doing it to enrich family / friends.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 20:15 pm
by Wattage
ramfandan wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:18 pm
I can just see the closing arguments in the trial of the pitcher. Defense lawyer tell the journey . You don't truly think that a well paid athlete would risk up to 65 years in prison to make an alleged 5 or 7 grand. That. ridiculous . They aren't that dumb to risk that .
Prosectur follo-up to journey ' in response to the defendant attorney comments, who ever said criminals were smart ?
they may have hust wanted to help their buddies without giving away their own money and they thought since it was just a prop like first pitch being a ball it wouldnt influence oztcome of game and no one wozld notice. unfortunately they or their buddy inclzded too many people on the bet and they bet way too much money on this random prop bet- additionally- because this bet of him thrlwing a ball firat pitch can be messed up by an aggressive batter that chases bad putches swinging at his putch, he had to make the pitch too (bleep) to and obvious to make sure the batter didnt swing at it.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 20:20 pm
by WLTFE
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 20:34 pm
by JuanAgosto
imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:32 pm
One sentence defense...
"My interpreter did it."
Worked for the face of baseball, surely the same will apply to these guys.
Exactly. MLB had too much to lose by disciplining Ohtani. So the ridiculous interpreter story made it go away.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 09 Nov 2025 20:40 pm
by renostl
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 17:47 pm
I don’t know why people are surprised and people that think them legalizing it is somehow going to make it happen are naive there’s always been betting on baseball from
The black socks to Pete rose it’s always been there a lot of them have gotten away with it but it will be easier to catch them now
Only as an additional comment or 2. Legal betting is traceable and taxed especially at levels that would make it a temptation for the guys.
Illegal betting u.sed to have a 2 to 1 margin over legal wagers. Reno, Vegas, fanduel, whatever doesn't matter much.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 10 Nov 2025 06:18 am
by sikeston bulldog2
I’m a true athlete. I’m hip to most any competitive games from poker to Yahtzee to baseball. I’m not consumed but I like mental challenge.
I knew I was a stoned cold atheletic one when we started gambling on football back in 1975. I started worrying only of the score and totally disregard the play of the gane. Bugged me greatly.
Couldn’t take the anxiety. Tried it for one year on a fantasy team. Same issue. No pleasure. All nerves.
So I only gamble in Craps. Maybe roulette as it’s very simple.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 10 Nov 2025 07:07 am
by CCard
DwaininAztec wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 17:52 pm
CCard wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:15 pm
Speak the truth brother. Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Doesn't leave much room for interpretation does it.
But it was funny back then to see Jesus hold up a needle in front of a camel.
Context doesn't matter in this case. We all get the meaning of Jesus's words, just some "Good Christians" decide to not follow his teachings. You know it and I know it. And Jesus knows it.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 10 Nov 2025 07:08 am
by CCard
swatski wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 17:00 pm
CCard wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:15 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:05 pm
Like anything else out there today, these billionaires care much more about enriching themselves by any means necessary than they do the actual product that they are putting out, or the people who work for them.
Speak the truth brother. Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Doesn't leave much room for interpretation does it.
Except that the translation referring to the needle also can be interpreted as a mountain pass. There was a very narrow one called the needle back in biblical times.
It doesn't matter does it? Do you not take Jesus's meaning? He sure didn't mean it was easier now did he.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 10 Nov 2025 07:11 am
by WaltsSuccessor
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 14:18 pm
bccardsfan wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 14:15 pm
Many of us have been saying this was going to happen. Again, if organized gambling, or crime comes to your door with a big offer.... Or worse, perhaps one day organized crime comes to your door and tells you something might happen to your mom if you don't do this.. It is not a stretch.... MLB should divorce itself from organized gambling, not promote it in ads on MLBTV. Of course, that horse has left the barn....
That horse is out of the barn. These are adults who know the rules. I hope it ends their careers.
They’re facing up to 65 years in prison if convicted. Their careers are the least of their worries at this point.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 10 Nov 2025 07:14 am
by WaltsSuccessor
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 19:55 pm
ramfandan wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 16:18 pm
I can just see the closing arguments in the trial of the pitcher. Defense lawyer tell the journey . You don't truly think that a well paid athlete would risk up to 65 years in prison to make an alleged 5 or 7 grand. That. ridiculous . They aren't that dumb to risk that .
Prosectur follo-up to journey ' in response to the defendant attorney comments, who ever said criminals were smart ?
They’re not doing it for the money. They’re doing it to enrich family / friends.
Not only that, these are just the instances the FBI has solid evidence on. Doesn’t seem they didn’t do this on more pitches in more games (they almost certainly did). These are just the bets where they got caught.
Re: Guardians pitchers indicted for fixed single pitch gambling
Posted: 10 Nov 2025 07:18 am
by sikeston bulldog2
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 07:11 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 14:18 pm
bccardsfan wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 14:15 pm
Many of us have been saying this was going to happen. Again, if organized gambling, or crime comes to your door with a big offer.... Or worse, perhaps one day organized crime comes to your door and tells you something might happen to your mom if you don't do this.. It is not a stretch.... MLB should divorce itself from organized gambling, not promote it in ads on MLBTV. Of course, that horse has left the barn....
That horse is out of the barn. These are adults who know the rules. I hope it ends their careers.
They’re facing up to 65 years in prison if convicted. Their careers are the least of their worries at this point.
That seems strong. Rehabilitation plus penalty is sufficient. Nothing hurts more than taking one’s time, then money.