The NTC Guys- Arenado

[Talkin' Baseball]

The first order of business this offseason needs to be trying to find a trade for the 3 players with no trade clauses. It would be helpful if they could resolve these questions before the winter meetings. Knowing if these players will further define who is on the roster, where opportunities and needs are, as well as what the payroll situation will be. Personally, I would trade all 3 if I could. A few suggestions from me:

Nolan Arenado- He should be traded to anyone we can get a deal with on the money and he will accept a trade to. Player return is not important. In my opinion, the best target for a home for him is Seattle. The Mariners got a chance to see how their team was transformed when they got a real 1B and 3B at the deadline. Their payroll will be tight next season. They don’t seem like they are going to try to re-sign Suarez for 3B, but would like to re-sign Naylor for first. The Naylor signing will drag on all winter long. Getting Arenado early with the Cardinals picking up significant salary let’s them answer that question early without having to wait for Naylor before making a move. For the Cardinals, it lets them move on from Nolan early without having to wait and see what Alex Bregman does (like with the Red Sox last winter).

My proposal- Nolan Arenado and 20M cash to the Seattle Mariners for Emerson Hancock. The 20M consists of the Cardinals paying the 12M in deferred money owed plus 4M each of the next two seasons. Mariners get Arenado for 12M per season for 2 seasons. Hancock is a 26-year-old pitcher with 4 years of team control left. He is a back of the rotation starter. This season he started 16 games for Seattle, pitched 90 innings to a .490 ERA, and a 1.38 WHIP. His trade value is almost zero.

Second choice destination- Arizona Diamondbacks. The money situation would be the same as for the Mariners. The Cardinals get relief pitcher Hunter Cranton. Cranton is the Diamondbacks #27 prospect. Ironically, they got him at the deadline from Seattle for Suarez. He is 25 years old, pitching in AA. He is a righty with a 98 mph fastball and a plus slider working on control. (Aren’t all minor leaguers!) Too soon to tell, but Arenado could end up back with Goldschmidt if he goes to Arizona.

Other possible landing spots- Los Angeles Angels, Detroit Tigers, Boston Red Sox.

We owe only $6 million in deferred money. There is no deferred money for the 2027 year. I'm not sure the deferred money is the problem The team just sets the money aside and draws interest on it and waits several years until they pay it out, so they don't really lose too much money there. The money would be in the salary.

We owe Arenado $36 over the next two years taking out the $6 million deferred and $5 million Colorado pays for 2026. So if we included $20 million they would get him for $8 million a year. It will be interesting to see how much we will include in any Arenado trade if it happens.

6M of this year's salary was deferred, as well as 6M for next season. No deferred money for '27.

Right only $6 million is owed in deferral not $12 miliion. This year has already been set aside.

If that's true, then a deal just gets a little easier.

[ramfandan]

Most likely the expanded trade list Arenado mentioned at end of last year will not be revealed and only media speculation.
Will be fascinating to see who Bloom gets as trading partner that Nado approves. One would think Bloom won’t make MO’s mistake and try to trade him without Nado’s ok.

[WaltsSuccessor]

I'll be interested to see how negotiations go with Boston and Bregman. Could see them pivoting to Arenado if those go south.

Detroit is an interesting on depending on how aggressive they elect to be this off-season (they should go in with it being Skubal's last year of control).

[Talkin' Baseball]

I'll be interested to see how negotiations go with Boston and Bregman. Could see them pivoting to Arenado if those go south.

Detroit is an interesting on depending on how aggressive they elect to be this off-season (they should go in with it being Skubal's last year of control).

I wouldn't want to deal with Boston on Arenado for that very reason. I don't want to wait until February for a resolution. It might not happen, and it really has to happen.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Alright my Mariners friends, time to make it happen.

[renostl]

If Seattle still plays as an extreme pitchers' part, why would Nado accept a trade to them? We can hope Houston comes calling again or the Red Sox decide they need him. Both provide his excessive pull tendencies to be built for their parks.

Because they win? He's not playing for a contract anymore, he's playing to win. Houston is going nowhere and Boston will be ALL WINTER LONG trying to get Alex Bregman to sign. The Tigers are a winning team that might bite sooner than later.

You think Houston will just concede? Or take a step back more appropriately. I don’t see it. They could even go after Tucker and move Walker. We'll see I guess but
seems more likely for Seattle to have trouble keeping it together and repeating.

I do like your AZ and LAA thoughts.
Of the NTC he's a priority and not due to what amount to a few MLB dollars.

Houston has Carlos Correa to play 3B now

True.
Responding to "Houston is going no where" not that they were still after NA.

[renostl]

I'll be interested to see how negotiations go with Boston and Bregman. Could see them pivoting to Arenado if those go south.

Detroit is an interesting on depending on how aggressive they elect to be this off-season (they should go in with it being Skubal's last year of control).

I wouldn't want to deal with Boston on Arenado for that very reason. I don't want to wait until February for a resolution. It might not happen, and it really has to happen.

Will the big money really be in line for NA?
I think it more the teams that are attempting to compete but
are doing so with a firmer budget.

Agree though, waiting on the fallback position does seem like a very good idea
for any party involved including NA.