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somni wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:18 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:12 pm
DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:02 pm It will be interesting to see what they do with Mailloux now. He's clearly got talent but his game looks very unsteady in light of the Blues on-ice expectations.
Stringing a few wins together could help the whole team loosen up a little. Mailloux might be able to show some of his skill more when it doesn’t constantly feel like 1 mistake will cost you the game.
This needed to be said about Mailloux. It's bad enough to be thrown in there with Tucker, not that he's a problem, just another player finding his game. But the team was all over the place in terms of system and where to be. Put Mailloux on a steadier systematic group and he might be able to gain some confidence and loosen up.

Just a hopeful thought.
What’s tough and maybe I’m showing bias, but Kessel is tough on the eyes. Not since a couple years ago has his game looked serviceable. He had a big pizza tonight that almost ruined the game too.

Tucker doesn’t have a good stick but he’s proactive on offense and hits people. Kessel is awful on offense and can’t skate the puck out. Unless I’m missing something. The longer he plays the more exposed Tucker gets. Because there’s only so much you can do breaking up plays. Eventually you have to possses the puck and get it out under pressure.
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DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:02 pm
seattleblue wrote: 03 Nov 2025 22:24 pm Dvorsky is our #1 prospect

Lindstein and Snuggerud are the next two min whichever order, because of their likelihood of being excellent at their positions.

IMO Stenberg fourth, Carbo fifth

Then IMO it's the three defensemen (Fischer, Jiricek (rising), Mailloux (falling)) and Stancl and Pekarcik (rising) in the next group. This is a group that should all be NHL players.

Ralph is a wild card. He plays with MSU vs Gavin McKenna/Penn St. twice this coming weekend. Hope to see at least some of it.
Korotky I have no eyes on, he is a wild card to me and I prefer him be that way, just drop out of the blue one day and be amazing, sure. I'll take it.
Not attacking your analysis here, but I don't ever get too worked up over prospect rankings. There's a group that project to eventually play in the NHL, a smaller group that project to latch onto a role, a smaller group that project to be top-4/top-6, and the players now and then that look like certain NHL all-stars. The Blues have at least a handful of guys projecting into top-4/top-6, more for depth, and they still have all their future first round picks. They are going to be ok.

I think it's coming time to scratch Snuggerud and Dvorsky off the prospect list. Technically, after their Calder season, but these guys are in the NHL to stay.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Mailloux now. He's clearly got talent but his game looks very unsteady in light of the Blues on-ice expectations.
They have players like Dylan Peterson who is still a viable 4th line player for the Blues who I would not be able to put in the top 10. Even if he becomes an incredible 4th liner, the overall value of that contribution to the team is lower than a top 4 defenseman, top 6 forward. Rankings are the most "fun" you can have as you watch these players develop. I am watching all of Springfield, Blainville, Sarnia and Brantford this year thereby seeing all of our top 10 prospects play every game so it's more of a challenge that way, the same way it's kind of a fun challenge to decide who the Blues should have on their draft list each year before the draft. When I put forth a prospects list it's like MN's list, there's a lot of thought and observation in there.
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skilles wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:24 pm
somni wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:18 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:12 pm
DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:02 pm It will be interesting to see what they do with Mailloux now. He's clearly got talent but his game looks very unsteady in light of the Blues on-ice expectations.
Stringing a few wins together could help the whole team loosen up a little. Mailloux might be able to show some of his skill more when it doesn’t constantly feel like 1 mistake will cost you the game.
This needed to be said about Mailloux. It's bad enough to be thrown in there with Tucker, not that he's a problem, just another player finding his game. But the team was all over the place in terms of system and where to be. Put Mailloux on a steadier systematic group and he might be able to gain some confidence and loosen up.

Just a hopeful thought.
You would think that might have crossed the minds of the people in charge. Man did they set him up to fail, crazy that was the plan of the professionals.
No kidding, it is still pretty wild to me that they didn't come into the season with some sort of veteran D depth in case Mailloux wasn't magically solid off the bat.
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callitwhatyouwant wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:28 pm
somni wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:18 pm
The Average Gatsby wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:12 pm
DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:02 pm It will be interesting to see what they do with Mailloux now. He's clearly got talent but his game looks very unsteady in light of the Blues on-ice expectations.
Stringing a few wins together could help the whole team loosen up a little. Mailloux might be able to show some of his skill more when it doesn’t constantly feel like 1 mistake will cost you the game.
This needed to be said about Mailloux. It's bad enough to be thrown in there with Tucker, not that he's a problem, just another player finding his game. But the team was all over the place in terms of system and where to be. Put Mailloux on a steadier systematic group and he might be able to gain some confidence and loosen up.

Just a hopeful thought.
What’s tough and maybe I’m showing bias, but Kessel is tough on the eyes. Not since a couple years ago has his game looked serviceable. He had a big pizza tonight that almost ruined the game too.

Tucker doesn’t have a good stick but he’s proactive on offense and hits people. Kessel is awful on offense and can’t skate the puck out. Unless I’m missing something. The longer he plays the more exposed Tucker gets. Because there’s only so much you can do breaking up plays. Eventually you have to possses the puck and get it out under pressure.
Yeah Kessel had a handful of glaringly bad turnovers in the last game. He should be far down our depth chart.

I'm not a huge fan of Tucker either, but I can live with him as our #6. He is NOT ok as our #5, and that's where we are right now. Rosen should help as I think he's got to be an improvement over Kessel, and I have to think that's why they got him. But it still leaves our 3rd pair below par no matter who you plug in, IMO.
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Thomas is back he’ll be sent down in a couple of games.
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Bacchk29 wrote: 04 Nov 2025 10:40 am Thomas is back he’ll be sent down in a couple of games.
I'll take the over
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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 04 Nov 2025 10:40 am
Bacchk29 wrote: 04 Nov 2025 10:40 am Thomas is back he’ll be sent down in a couple of games.
I'll take the over
Tongue in cheek. I hope you’re right.
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seattleblue wrote: 04 Nov 2025 09:13 am
DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:02 pm
seattleblue wrote: 03 Nov 2025 22:24 pm Dvorsky is our #1 prospect

Lindstein and Snuggerud are the next two min whichever order, because of their likelihood of being excellent at their positions.

IMO Stenberg fourth, Carbo fifth

Then IMO it's the three defensemen (Fischer, Jiricek (rising), Mailloux (falling)) and Stancl and Pekarcik (rising) in the next group. This is a group that should all be NHL players.

Ralph is a wild card. He plays with MSU vs Gavin McKenna/Penn St. twice this coming weekend. Hope to see at least some of it.
Korotky I have no eyes on, he is a wild card to me and I prefer him be that way, just drop out of the blue one day and be amazing, sure. I'll take it.
Not attacking your analysis here, but I don't ever get too worked up over prospect rankings. There's a group that project to eventually play in the NHL, a smaller group that project to latch onto a role, a smaller group that project to be top-4/top-6, and the players now and then that look like certain NHL all-stars. The Blues have at least a handful of guys projecting into top-4/top-6, more for depth, and they still have all their future first round picks. They are going to be ok.

I think it's coming time to scratch Snuggerud and Dvorsky off the prospect list. Technically, after their Calder season, but these guys are in the NHL to stay.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Mailloux now. He's clearly got talent but his game looks very unsteady in light of the Blues on-ice expectations.
They have players like Dylan Peterson who is still a viable 4th line player for the Blues who I would not be able to put in the top 10. Even if he becomes an incredible 4th liner, the overall value of that contribution to the team is lower than a top 4 defenseman, top 6 forward. Rankings are the most "fun" you can have as you watch these players develop. I am watching all of Springfield, Blainville, Sarnia and Brantford this year thereby seeing all of our top 10 prospects play every game so it's more of a challenge that way, the same way it's kind of a fun challenge to decide who the Blues should have on their draft list each year before the draft. When I put forth a prospects list it's like MN's list, there's a lot of thought and observation in there.
I read and appreciate your reports. I really do. I just don't see much point point trying to distinguish between, say, Snuggerud and Dvorsky. The Blues need to both to be as good as they individually can be. And yeah, Peterson doesn't need a top-10 ranking to answer his calling. Stenberg may be called on before Lindstein or vice versa, not sure what rankings mean there.

But I do NOT mean to throw cold water on your ranking exercise. It's all for armchair consumption and fun, at least until someone tries to use rankings to denigrate players or the team.
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DawgDad wrote: 04 Nov 2025 10:58 am
seattleblue wrote: 04 Nov 2025 09:13 am
DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:02 pm
seattleblue wrote: 03 Nov 2025 22:24 pm Dvorsky is our #1 prospect

Lindstein and Snuggerud are the next two min whichever order, because of their likelihood of being excellent at their positions.

IMO Stenberg fourth, Carbo fifth

Then IMO it's the three defensemen (Fischer, Jiricek (rising), Mailloux (falling)) and Stancl and Pekarcik (rising) in the next group. This is a group that should all be NHL players.

Ralph is a wild card. He plays with MSU vs Gavin McKenna/Penn St. twice this coming weekend. Hope to see at least some of it.
Korotky I have no eyes on, he is a wild card to me and I prefer him be that way, just drop out of the blue one day and be amazing, sure. I'll take it.
Not attacking your analysis here, but I don't ever get too worked up over prospect rankings. There's a group that project to eventually play in the NHL, a smaller group that project to latch onto a role, a smaller group that project to be top-4/top-6, and the players now and then that look like certain NHL all-stars. The Blues have at least a handful of guys projecting into top-4/top-6, more for depth, and they still have all their future first round picks. They are going to be ok.

I think it's coming time to scratch Snuggerud and Dvorsky off the prospect list. Technically, after their Calder season, but these guys are in the NHL to stay.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Mailloux now. He's clearly got talent but his game looks very unsteady in light of the Blues on-ice expectations.
They have players like Dylan Peterson who is still a viable 4th line player for the Blues who I would not be able to put in the top 10. Even if he becomes an incredible 4th liner, the overall value of that contribution to the team is lower than a top 4 defenseman, top 6 forward. Rankings are the most "fun" you can have as you watch these players develop. I am watching all of Springfield, Blainville, Sarnia and Brantford this year thereby seeing all of our top 10 prospects play every game so it's more of a challenge that way, the same way it's kind of a fun challenge to decide who the Blues should have on their draft list each year before the draft. When I put forth a prospects list it's like MN's list, there's a lot of thought and observation in there.
I read and appreciate your reports. I really do. I just don't see much point point trying to distinguish between, say, Snuggerud and Dvorsky. The Blues need to both to be as good as they individually can be. And yeah, Peterson doesn't need a top-10 ranking to answer his calling. Stenberg may be called on before Lindstein or vice versa, not sure what rankings mean there.

But I do NOT mean to throw cold water on your ranking exercise. It's all for armchair consumption and fun, at least until someone tries to use rankings to denigrate players or the team.
To a degree i am with you i get it trying to assign an order to prospects but until they are in the Blue Note, doing it we dont know exactly. What i know today is

Dvorsky may be the most skilled Blue right there with Thomas watching him last night and over this stretch he does the little things correctly i.e. he doesnt bobble pucks, his passes are clean and crisp he has an elite shot, yes its elite. Watching him live i was able to see him all over the ice and he was impressive considering he turned 20 in June he played fairly well against a team absolutely stacked at center. And most importantly he moved pretty well live, hes not a fast skater but he is certainly not slow. Wait till this kid is 23 or 24 yrs old he looks like a PPG + center easy, big shot and a great playmaker its what a #10 pick should look like. Time will come when DD is playing with top notch forwards and it will be fun to watch

Snuggerud i would say a lot of the same things, different player for sure than #54 but again high skill level guy its very apparent i was not aware of how well Snuggerud makes plays hes just a good of a passer as he is a shooter. Idk if Snuggy is a 30 goal guy this year, the lines and offence still needs to gel for the Blues but the future is bright with him. He will be able to walk defenders on the fly and either shoot or find open players for tap ins. He can play at pace its only a matter of time before he explodes.

Broberg is a #1 dman he was great last night he was all over the ice, elite skater, makes plays, breaks up plays he should be paid big money hes a lock. Hes not going to be overly physical ever but hes dangerous because he moves so well he is approaching what we saw last season i expected more points from Brobie this year but it will come.
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DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 21:25 pm
HighStick wrote: 03 Nov 2025 21:19 pm It was a nice shot. I'd like to see it a few more times before I'd call it elite but it was a nice shot.
Don't blink when you watch the replay. Trust me, that was a full body torque in half a blink.
That puck was fluttering...he didn't even get all of it. 40% luck.
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somni wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Put Mailloux on a steadier systematic group and he might be able to gain some confidence and loosen up.
They tried him with Fowler and Fowler's +/- suffered. No one wants to be paired with Mailloux, he's a bad omen.
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Mr.Snuggleupagus wrote: 04 Nov 2025 16:20 pm
DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 21:25 pm
HighStick wrote: 03 Nov 2025 21:19 pm It was a nice shot. I'd like to see it a few more times before I'd call it elite but it was a nice shot.
Don't blink when you watch the replay. Trust me, that was a full body torque in half a blink.
That puck was fluttering...he didn't even get all of it. 40% luck.
And it was still a rocket. He scores like that all the time and at every level he’s ever played at. Calling it 40% luck is real dumb dumb stuff.
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seattleblue wrote: 04 Nov 2025 09:13 am
DawgDad wrote: 03 Nov 2025 23:02 pm
seattleblue wrote: 03 Nov 2025 22:24 pm Dvorsky is our #1 prospect

Lindstein and Snuggerud are the next two min whichever order, because of their likelihood of being excellent at their positions.

IMO Stenberg fourth, Carbo fifth

Then IMO it's the three defensemen (Fischer, Jiricek (rising), Mailloux (falling)) and Stancl and Pekarcik (rising) in the next group. This is a group that should all be NHL players.

Ralph is a wild card. He plays with MSU vs Gavin McKenna/Penn St. twice this coming weekend. Hope to see at least some of it.
Korotky I have no eyes on, he is a wild card to me and I prefer him be that way, just drop out of the blue one day and be amazing, sure. I'll take it.
Not attacking your analysis here, but I don't ever get too worked up over prospect rankings. There's a group that project to eventually play in the NHL, a smaller group that project to latch onto a role, a smaller group that project to be top-4/top-6, and the players now and then that look like certain NHL all-stars. The Blues have at least a handful of guys projecting into top-4/top-6, more for depth, and they still have all their future first round picks. They are going to be ok.

I think it's coming time to scratch Snuggerud and Dvorsky off the prospect list. Technically, after their Calder season, but these guys are in the NHL to stay.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Mailloux now. He's clearly got talent but his game looks very unsteady in light of the Blues on-ice expectations.
They have players like Dylan Peterson who is still a viable 4th line player for the Blues who I would not be able to put in the top 10. Even if he becomes an incredible 4th liner, the overall value of that contribution to the team is lower than a top 4 defenseman, top 6 forward. Rankings are the most "fun" you can have as you watch these players develop. I am watching all of Springfield, Blainville, Sarnia and Brantford this year thereby seeing all of our top 10 prospects play every game so it's more of a challenge that way, the same way it's kind of a fun challenge to decide who the Blues should have on their draft list each year before the draft. When I put forth a prospects list it's like MN's list, there's a lot of thought and observation in there.
Not wasted effort.

I did take in a wee bit of more confidence in DD with you as high on him as you were.
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