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Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 17:39 pm
by 45s
hmoss859 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
I really miss Joe Strauss, he was a (drat) good reporter and didn't play footsy with the Cardinals like the local media does.
This media market is so freaking soft, it's embarrassing.
It's your job to report what you know, and if you didn't know there was a Shildt anger issue, you aren't doing your job. If you aren't reporting it, you are just a shill for the organization.
Bernie playing like he knew is just total b.s. from the grandstanding blowhard he is.
I believe everything you say is correct……..however,
There are many in the Stl market that just do not want to hear anything negative about the local team……it has almost a high school feel……..don’t criticize the local boys..
a story from years ago…larussa was busted for drunk driving in Florida…
The local television channels cover it…..I knew someone who worked at one of those outlets and they told me they were overwhelmed with complaints about even reporting the story…
Small town
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 17:45 pm
by Ozziesfan41
I would rather the manager win games instead of winning popularity contests. Shildt might be hated but he’s got his teams into the post season every full season he has managed. Oli might be loved by everyone but he’s got them into the post season just once when Molina and pujols were there to provide the leadership and his teams have finished under .500 twice
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 17:45 pm
by dugoutrex
how many even know that Jack Buck knocked up a chick on the west coast while his wife was home with his 6 kids - he got a quikie divorce and married quickly as well to avoid Joe being born a bee stard
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 17:48 pm
by Dicktar2023
bretto12 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 17:24 pm
There is something really wrong with the guy. Two organizations in 3 years and for basically the same reason....no one can work with him.
It is possible the team chose not to tell anyone why he was let go. Local reporters could have asked the right questions, but got no answers. Philosophical differences seems to sum it all up. I can understand why others in the organization would not want to admit to any issues beyond telling the Cards that they will not work with him any longer.
No way. Karraker and Bernie have both made references to knowing more than they could say over the years. If they knew the whole story, the beat reporters knew.
The difference is, Karraker and the others aren't on Youtube right now saying "Told ya so, haterz!!!"
I used to like Bernie, but he's developed Twitter-Pattern Dementia over the last few years. He does nothing but scold and castigate people he thinks are out to get him. He's at the mercy of the voices in his head.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 17:51 pm
by leedog68
I was listening to 101 this afternoon. They said that they all heard rumblings, but it was just hearsay that couldn't be substantiated. They also said Moe repeatedly said he couldn't legally comment any further. One could speculate the Cardinals saved some cash by signing a non disclosure settlement that prevented them from hurting his reputation. They took the heat instead of him, which gave him another shot at managing and he apparently didn't learn from his mistakes. Sounds like an HR nightmare that you just can't allow to go on in 2025.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 17:53 pm
by RichieRichSTL
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 17:45 pm
I would rather the manager win games instead of winning popularity contests. Shildt might be hated but he’s got his teams into the post season every full season he has managed. Oli might be loved by everyone but he’s got them into the post season just once when Molina and pujols were there to provide the leadership and his teams have finished under .500 twice
Yep. As it turned out the coaching staff scattered anyway after 2023. So even if it's true it didnt help Mo out anyway.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 17:54 pm
by Jatalk
Maybe it was not reported widely because it was not true or overstated. One report and everyone assumes it’s true? We all know the press never sensationalizes anything? And what great “head” coach was never hard on his staff?
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 17:55 pm
by hmoss859
dugoutrex wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 17:45 pm
how many even know that Jack Buck knocked up a chick on the west coast while his wife was home with his 6 kids - he got a quikie divorce and married quickly as well to avoid Joe being born a bee stard
Hence the name of Joes book titled “Lucky (child born out of wedlock)”
Joe followed in his dads footsteps in more ways than one, dumping his first wife for a Broncos cheerleader
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 18:09 pm
by nighthawk
People not getting the news they are entitled too when they are entitled to it. Oh, the humanity!!
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 18:09 pm
by Dicktar2023
leedog68 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 17:51 pm
I was listening to 101 this afternoon. They said that they all heard rumblings, but it was just hearsay that couldn't be substantiated. They also said Moe repeatedly said he couldn't legally comment any further. One could speculate the Cardinals saved some cash by signing a non disclosure settlement that prevented them from hurting his reputation. They took the heat instead of him, which gave him another shot at managing and he apparently didn't learn from his mistakes. Sounds like an HR nightmare that you just can't allow to go on in 2025.
It's been clear since it happened that everyone in the StL sports media had heard "rumblings." That's where a journalistic urge to tell the story might have kicked in. But they don't want to say anything that could make things weird on Red Jacket Day. How are you supposed to enjoy the Clydesdales when Yadi is giving you the stinkeye?
Look what happened
immediately when a real journalist in NY gave the story his attention.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 18:26 pm
by Carp4Cy
82birds wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 16:31 pm
I couldn't find the link but I found this from an article on MLBTR:
multiple St. Louis coaches and staffers were threatening to quit their jobs if Shildt was brought back in 2022, which contributed to the Cardinals’ decision to part ways. The situation wasn’t quite this intense with the Padres’ staff, though Acee notes that “multiple coaches indicated they would leave if they found opportunities elsewhere.”
Who needs to threaten to quit to get Oli fired?
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 18:45 pm
by Ronnie Dobbs
Well, Bernie did say basically this after it happened. Don't know why some are ripping him about it now. I remember talking about it here, because a lot of people reacted with stuff like, "oh, yea, he wasn't enough of a company guy, so Mo fired him."
As for why wasn't this reported on at the time. Well, in order to report on something, you need to do reporting. And it would be irresponsible for someone like Goold or Woo or whoever to make an accusation about Shildt without being able to back that up. The San Diego guy got 20 sources, even though they were anonymous, to back up his reporting. There's no guarantee that anyone within the Cardinals organization was willing to do that. They are a notoriously tight lipped organization, so this is not surprising. And without being about to cite sources, it's not reporting. These guys are reporters, not radio guys.
Bernie was able to say it because he wasn't a reporter at the time. Of course, people said he was a shill for management at the time for making up an accusation that somehow absolves Mo of firing a guy who was a good manager. And they probably would have done the same thing had Goold or Woo even reported it, because that's how people are.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 18:51 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 18:26 pm
82birds wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 16:31 pm
I couldn't find the link but I found this from an article on MLBTR:
multiple St. Louis coaches and staffers were threatening to quit their jobs if Shildt was brought back in 2022, which contributed to the Cardinals’ decision to part ways. The situation wasn’t quite this intense with the Padres’ staff, though Acee notes that “multiple coaches indicated they would leave if they found opportunities elsewhere.”
Who needs to threaten to quit to get Oli fired?
No one oli is comfortable losing and everybody’s friend
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 18:55 pm
by hmoss859
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 18:45 pm
Well, Bernie did say basically this after it happened. Don't know why some are ripping him about it now. I remember talking about it here, because a lot of people reacted with stuff like, "oh, yea, he wasn't enough of a company guy, so Mo fired him."
As for why wasn't this reported on at the time. Well, in order to report on something, you need to do reporting. And it would be irresponsible for someone like Goold or Woo or whoever to make an accusation about Shildt without being able to back that up. The San Diego guy got 20 sources, even though they were anonymous, to back up his reporting. There's no guarantee that anyone within the Cardinals organization was willing to do that. They are a notoriously tight lipped organization, so this is not surprising. And without being about to cite sources, it's not reporting. These guys are reporters, not radio guys.
Bernie was able to say it because he wasn't a reporter at the time. Of course, people said he was a shill for management at the time for making up an accusation that somehow absolves Mo of firing a guy who was a good manager. And they probably would have done the same thing had Goold or Woo even reported it, because that's how people are.
Hogwash!
The San Diego writer was able to quote sources within Cards organization and Goold and Woo can’t?
Stop trying to cover up for local media softness and fear
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 19:12 pm
by Ronnie Dobbs
hmoss859 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 18:55 pmHogwash!
The San Diego writer was able to quote sources within Cards organization and Goold and Woo can’t?
Stop trying to cover up for local media softness and fear
In the article the reporter cited sources who were mainly with him in San Diego. He got six current and former members of the Cardinals for this article, but again, those people might feel a lot more comfortable talking to a 3 years after the fact that he left the organization, and after he was fired for basically the same thing. Especially the former ones. Maybe they didn't want to talk at the time. And they're still only talking anonymously.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 15 Oct 2025 19:16 pm
by ICCFIM2
hmoss859 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 18:55 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 18:45 pm
Well, Bernie did say basically this after it happened. Don't know why some are ripping him about it now. I remember talking about it here, because a lot of people reacted with stuff like, "oh, yea, he wasn't enough of a company guy, so Mo fired him."
As for why wasn't this reported on at the time. Well, in order to report on something, you need to do reporting. And it would be irresponsible for someone like Goold or Woo or whoever to make an accusation about Shildt without being able to back that up. The San Diego guy got 20 sources, even though they were anonymous, to back up his reporting. There's no guarantee that anyone within the Cardinals organization was willing to do that. They are a notoriously tight lipped organization, so this is not surprising. And without being about to cite sources, it's not reporting. These guys are reporters, not radio guys.
Bernie was able to say it because he wasn't a reporter at the time. Of course, people said he was a shill for management at the time for making up an accusation that somehow absolves Mo of firing a guy who was a good manager. And they probably would have done the same thing had Goold or Woo even reported it, because that's how people are.
Hogwash!
The San Diego writer was able to quote sources within Cards organization and Goold and Woo can’t?
Stop trying to cover up for local media softness and fear
After it happened again, those sources in the Cards organization or sources that are no longer with the Cards might be more willing to talk. HR issues are very sensitive. No one wants to get sued. It is very plausible that MO understood what was going on and just fired him without telling anyone else other than the Dewitt's the entire story. Then everyone else is just speculating. Real reporters are not supposed to speculate. Also, employees are not going to want to go on record or even off the record about it for fear of being fired.
I have been in executive positions before where I have terminated employees. Sometimes the reasons are quite comical from a story perspective or crazy. In the past when I made those decisions, I never said a word for years. But a few years after the fact for some laughs after there is no longer harm to anyone, I tell some stories. That seems to be what is going on here and it makes sense. Those employees a few years ago that might have feared for their jobs no longer do. It is in the open and it is no longer sensitive to the Cardinals. In 2022, it was very sensitive to the Cardinals.