Unless you’re playing in Fenway…..aren’t most pulled fly balls outs?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:00 amIt’s gotta be a strange way to live to completely ignore or dismiss that which challenges your preconceived notions.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:37 amLMAO...pull %?! No stats given by some twatter. He left after 2022An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:33 amhttps://x.com/nuyoriican/status/1978242 ... bW4cOs6KJwscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:23 amHow did he do well in St Louis?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 06:22 amHe did well in St Louis.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
I have to assume you’re referencing the nonsense story that Mozeliak told suggesting he had a hard time with criticism. In reality, that was Mozeliak spinning a narrative while avoiding accountability about the building culture and development program in the organization.
Recall he also said Maddux left because he wanted to spend more time with his family… Maddux promptly took on the same role with the Rangers.https://x.com/enosarris/status/17831648 ... bW4cOs6KJwData shows losing hitting coach Jeff Albert undermined the Cardinals' offenseThere’s a lot more, I don’t have time to spell it all out. He made a meaningful positive impact for the org and they’ve gone backwards since he left.Eno Sarris wrote: Pulled balls in the air are the best batted ball type by outcome. Here's how St. Louis has ranked in pull% on fly balls by season, with an annotation.
2017 17th
hired Jeff Albert
2018 5th
2019 9th
2020 19th
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Albert leaves
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You got nothing
ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
Pulled fly balls are far and away the best fly balls.Goldfan wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:14 amUnless you’re playing in Fenway…..aren’t most pulled fly balls outs?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:00 amIt’s gotta be a strange way to live to completely ignore or dismiss that which challenges your preconceived notions.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:37 amLMAO...pull %?! No stats given by some twatter. He left after 2022An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:33 amhttps://x.com/nuyoriican/status/1978242 ... bW4cOs6KJwscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:23 amHow did he do well in St Louis?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 06:22 amHe did well in St Louis.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
I have to assume you’re referencing the nonsense story that Mozeliak told suggesting he had a hard time with criticism. In reality, that was Mozeliak spinning a narrative while avoiding accountability about the building culture and development program in the organization.
Recall he also said Maddux left because he wanted to spend more time with his family… Maddux promptly took on the same role with the Rangers.https://x.com/enosarris/status/17831648 ... bW4cOs6KJwData shows losing hitting coach Jeff Albert undermined the Cardinals' offenseThere’s a lot more, I don’t have time to spell it all out. He made a meaningful positive impact for the org and they’ve gone backwards since he left.Eno Sarris wrote: Pulled balls in the air are the best batted ball type by outcome. Here's how St. Louis has ranked in pull% on fly balls by season, with an annotation.
2017 17th
hired Jeff Albert
2018 5th
2019 9th
2020 19th
2021 1st
2022 1st
Albert leaves
2023 8th
2024 30th
You got nothing
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-pulled- ... -underway/
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
lol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
Albert is such a terrible coach that he is in New York and the cards are still lousy hitters….
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
Why do you believe that story? It was totally fabricated.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:56 amlol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
I see they somehow differentiate between fly ball, pop up and linedrive…..do you have the % non-outs for each of these. Does it really matter the arc if one bat strike isn’t more effective at procuring a safe base.An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:38 amPulled fly balls are far and away the best fly balls.Goldfan wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:14 amUnless you’re playing in Fenway…..aren’t most pulled fly balls outs?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:00 amIt’s gotta be a strange way to live to completely ignore or dismiss that which challenges your preconceived notions.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:37 amLMAO...pull %?! No stats given by some twatter. He left after 2022An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:33 amhttps://x.com/nuyoriican/status/1978242 ... bW4cOs6KJwscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:23 amHow did he do well in St Louis?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 06:22 amHe did well in St Louis.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
I have to assume you’re referencing the nonsense story that Mozeliak told suggesting he had a hard time with criticism. In reality, that was Mozeliak spinning a narrative while avoiding accountability about the building culture and development program in the organization.
Recall he also said Maddux left because he wanted to spend more time with his family… Maddux promptly took on the same role with the Rangers.https://x.com/enosarris/status/17831648 ... bW4cOs6KJwData shows losing hitting coach Jeff Albert undermined the Cardinals' offenseThere’s a lot more, I don’t have time to spell it all out. He made a meaningful positive impact for the org and they’ve gone backwards since he left.Eno Sarris wrote: Pulled balls in the air are the best batted ball type by outcome. Here's how St. Louis has ranked in pull% on fly balls by season, with an annotation.
2017 17th
hired Jeff Albert
2018 5th
2019 9th
2020 19th
2021 1st
2022 1st
Albert leaves
2023 8th
2024 30th
You got nothing
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-pulled- ... -underway/
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
I don’t really know what you’re asking me to explain.Goldfan wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 12:09 pmI see they somehow differentiate between fly ball, pop up and linedrive…..do you have the % non-outs for each of these. Does it really matter the arc if one bat strike isn’t more effective at procuring a safe base.An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:38 amPulled fly balls are far and away the best fly balls.Goldfan wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:14 amUnless you’re playing in Fenway…..aren’t most pulled fly balls outs?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:00 amIt’s gotta be a strange way to live to completely ignore or dismiss that which challenges your preconceived notions.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:37 amLMAO...pull %?! No stats given by some twatter. He left after 2022An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:33 amhttps://x.com/nuyoriican/status/1978242 ... bW4cOs6KJwscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:23 amHow did he do well in St Louis?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 06:22 amHe did well in St Louis.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
I have to assume you’re referencing the nonsense story that Mozeliak told suggesting he had a hard time with criticism. In reality, that was Mozeliak spinning a narrative while avoiding accountability about the building culture and development program in the organization.
Recall he also said Maddux left because he wanted to spend more time with his family… Maddux promptly took on the same role with the Rangers.https://x.com/enosarris/status/17831648 ... bW4cOs6KJwData shows losing hitting coach Jeff Albert undermined the Cardinals' offenseThere’s a lot more, I don’t have time to spell it all out. He made a meaningful positive impact for the org and they’ve gone backwards since he left.Eno Sarris wrote: Pulled balls in the air are the best batted ball type by outcome. Here's how St. Louis has ranked in pull% on fly balls by season, with an annotation.
2017 17th
hired Jeff Albert
2018 5th
2019 9th
2020 19th
2021 1st
2022 1st
Albert leaves
2023 8th
2024 30th
You got nothing
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-pulled- ... -underway/
Pulled fly balls do damage. Albert focused intently on swing decisions so that players would be attacking pitchers they could do the most damage with, and that showed up in batted ball data.
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
Yeah because you often hear people quoting the pull % on fly balls to tell you how great a hitter is!An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:00 amIt’s gotta be a strange way to live to completely ignore or dismiss that which challenges your preconceived notions.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:37 amLMAO...pull %?! No stats given by some twatter. He left after 2022An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:33 amhttps://x.com/nuyoriican/status/1978242 ... bW4cOs6KJwscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:23 amHow did he do well in St Louis?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 06:22 amHe did well in St Louis.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
I have to assume you’re referencing the nonsense story that Mozeliak told suggesting he had a hard time with criticism. In reality, that was Mozeliak spinning a narrative while avoiding accountability about the building culture and development program in the organization.
Recall he also said Maddux left because he wanted to spend more time with his family… Maddux promptly took on the same role with the Rangers.https://x.com/enosarris/status/17831648 ... bW4cOs6KJwData shows losing hitting coach Jeff Albert undermined the Cardinals' offenseThere’s a lot more, I don’t have time to spell it all out. He made a meaningful positive impact for the org and they’ve gone backwards since he left.Eno Sarris wrote: Pulled balls in the air are the best batted ball type by outcome. Here's how St. Louis has ranked in pull% on fly balls by season, with an annotation.
2017 17th
hired Jeff Albert
2018 5th
2019 9th
2020 19th
2021 1st
2022 1st
Albert leaves
2023 8th
2024 30th
You got nothing
LMAO..poor me
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
I don’t know why this is appearing to be a new concept to you, but I assure you that it’s not.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 17:15 pmYeah because you often hear people quoting the pull % on fly balls to tell you how great a hitter is!An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:00 amIt’s gotta be a strange way to live to completely ignore or dismiss that which challenges your preconceived notions.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:37 amLMAO...pull %?! No stats given by some twatter. He left after 2022An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:33 amhttps://x.com/nuyoriican/status/1978242 ... bW4cOs6KJwscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 08:23 amHow did he do well in St Louis?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 06:22 amHe did well in St Louis.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
I have to assume you’re referencing the nonsense story that Mozeliak told suggesting he had a hard time with criticism. In reality, that was Mozeliak spinning a narrative while avoiding accountability about the building culture and development program in the organization.
Recall he also said Maddux left because he wanted to spend more time with his family… Maddux promptly took on the same role with the Rangers.https://x.com/enosarris/status/17831648 ... bW4cOs6KJwData shows losing hitting coach Jeff Albert undermined the Cardinals' offenseThere’s a lot more, I don’t have time to spell it all out. He made a meaningful positive impact for the org and they’ve gone backwards since he left.Eno Sarris wrote: Pulled balls in the air are the best batted ball type by outcome. Here's how St. Louis has ranked in pull% on fly balls by season, with an annotation.
2017 17th
hired Jeff Albert
2018 5th
2019 9th
2020 19th
2021 1st
2022 1st
Albert leaves
2023 8th
2024 30th
You got nothing
LMAO..poor me
It’s common in scouting.
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
How do you know it was completely fabricated?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 11:06 amWhy do you believe that story? It was totally fabricated.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:56 amlol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Seems to me he might have actually said something like that to Mo, as a more professional alternative to calling him an incompetent (donkey) (censored).
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
Well Jeff Albert himself cited outside criticism for his decision to move on from St. Louis maybe old friend thinks he completely fabricated it himself as to the reason why he left lolQuincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:42 pmHow do you know it was completely fabricated?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 11:06 amWhy do you believe that story? It was totally fabricated.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:56 amlol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Seems to me he might have actually said something like that to Mo, as a more professional alternative to calling him an incompetent (donkey) clown.
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
We can think through this with rational intuition.Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:42 pmHow do you know it was completely fabricated?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 11:06 amWhy do you believe that story? It was totally fabricated.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:56 amlol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Seems to me he might have actually said something like that to Mo, as a more professional alternative to calling him an incompetent (donkey) clown.
Are we really going to believe that Jeff Albert was so negatively affected by social media criticism that he left St Louis… and then did a complete 180 inside of 3 weeks going to the toughest media market in his profession?
It made no sense at the time, and makes less sense in hindsight. Albert, Maddux, and then Holliday were the canaries in the coal mine that too many people chose to ignore.
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
No, John Mozeliak said that. Mozeliak was absolving himself of blame because he’s lacked any semblance of accountability.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:50 pmWell Jeff Albert himself cited outside criticism for his decision to move on from St. Louis maybe old friend thinks he completely fabricated it himself as to the reason why he left lolQuincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:42 pmHow do you know it was completely fabricated?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 11:06 amWhy do you believe that story? It was totally fabricated.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:56 amlol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Seems to me he might have actually said something like that to Mo, as a more professional alternative to calling him an incompetent (donkey) clown.
I’m interested, though - you’re claiming Jeff Albert said this himself. Can you share the quote(s) with links that you’re referring to? I’ve seen what John Denton reported with Mozeliak’s narrative spin… that Maddux had “just done it for so long and he’s looking for a change of pace”. Did you believe that, too? That Maddux just changed his mind within 4 weeks of that?
No, they both saw what was going on in the organization and decided to leave. Mozeliak was uncomfortable with the truth.
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
Google it yourself you’re the one who responded to me asking why do I believe it I told you he said it I read it I don’t care if you believe me or him or mo or anyone else you responded to me I said why I believe it. Don’t respond to me asking why I believe it then start saying I need to google it and share it with you that’s dumb. And if mo lied and made him look like a punk saying he couldn’t handle criticism and quit why wouldn’t he refute it if mo just outright lied and completely made it up?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 20:33 pmNo, John Mozeliak said that. Mozeliak was absolving himself of blame because he’s lacked any semblance of accountability.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:50 pmWell Jeff Albert himself cited outside criticism for his decision to move on from St. Louis maybe old friend thinks he completely fabricated it himself as to the reason why he left lolQuincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:42 pmHow do you know it was completely fabricated?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 11:06 amWhy do you believe that story? It was totally fabricated.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:56 amlol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Seems to me he might have actually said something like that to Mo, as a more professional alternative to calling him an incompetent (donkey) clown.
I’m interested, though - you’re claiming Jeff Albert said this himself. Can you share the quote(s) with links that you’re referring to? I’ve seen what John Denton reported with Mozeliak’s narrative spin… that Maddux had “just done it for so long and he’s looking for a change of pace”. Did you believe that, too? That Maddux just changed his mind within 4 weeks of that?
No, they both saw what was going on in the organization and decided to leave. Mozeliak was uncomfortable with the truth.
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
I have searched. I can’t find a quote from Albert anywhere.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 21:06 pmGoogle it yourself you’re the one who responded to me asking why do I believe it I told you he said it I read it I don’t care if you believe me or him or mo or anyone else you responded to me I said why I believe it. Don’t respond to me asking why I believe it then start saying I need to google it and share it with you that’s dumb. And if mo lied and made him look like a punk saying he couldn’t handle criticism and quit why wouldn’t he refute it if mo just outright lied and completely made it up?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 20:33 pmNo, John Mozeliak said that. Mozeliak was absolving himself of blame because he’s lacked any semblance of accountability.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:50 pmWell Jeff Albert himself cited outside criticism for his decision to move on from St. Louis maybe old friend thinks he completely fabricated it himself as to the reason why he left lolQuincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:42 pmHow do you know it was completely fabricated?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 11:06 amWhy do you believe that story? It was totally fabricated.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:56 amlol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Seems to me he might have actually said something like that to Mo, as a more professional alternative to calling him an incompetent (donkey) clown.
I’m interested, though - you’re claiming Jeff Albert said this himself. Can you share the quote(s) with links that you’re referring to? I’ve seen what John Denton reported with Mozeliak’s narrative spin… that Maddux had “just done it for so long and he’s looking for a change of pace”. Did you believe that, too? That Maddux just changed his mind within 4 weeks of that?
No, they both saw what was going on in the organization and decided to leave. Mozeliak was uncomfortable with the truth.
You claimed he said it. It sounds like you can’t support that claim. That’s not my fault.
Albert refuted what Mozeliak said BY GOING TO NEW YORK. It was never about him being too weak to take online criticism.
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Re: ESPN: Jeff Albert to be named Mets’ lead hitting coach
You missed the point. I’m not saying he WAS negatively affected by social media. I’m suggesting it might have been a polite reason he gave Mo, rather than telling him his whole system was (bleep).An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 20:26 pmWe can think through this with rational intuition.Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 19:42 pmHow do you know it was completely fabricated?An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 11:06 amWhy do you believe that story? It was totally fabricated.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2025 09:56 amlol +1 was going to post the same thing he will be eaten alive in New YorkJuanAgosto wrote: ↑14 Oct 2025 22:27 pm If Albert couldn't handle the heat in StL, this NY thing should be fun. Hahahaha
Seems to me he might have actually said something like that to Mo, as a more professional alternative to calling him an incompetent (donkey) clown.
Are we really going to believe that Jeff Albert was so negatively affected by social media criticism that he left St Louis… and then did a complete 180 inside of 3 weeks going to the toughest media market in his profession?
It made no sense at the time, and makes less sense in hindsight. Albert, Maddux, and then Holliday were the canaries in the coal mine that too many people chose to ignore.
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