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Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:34 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:29 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:26 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:19 pm Our team leader had 20 home runs last year. If that was their effort to swing for the fences then I don't know what to tell you.

Hi C-Unit!

Sadly, it tells me that our hitters were so inept that they couldn’t execute what the Mozo Method wanted from them.

Just because they didn’t hit many HR’s doesn’t mean they weren’t trying to.

Ever since Matt Carpenter continually refused to slap the ball through the shortstop hole against the shift, this franchise has shown they have no desire to play any small ball whatsoever. That philosophy clearly has been dictated from the top, which was Mozo the Clown.

"Mozo the Clown" is childish, Hazelwood. How old are you?

He’s a clown and deserves all the accolades and benefits his clowndom deserves.

Stop being the Cards Talk scold, you putz. How old are you?

CraigPaquette wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 22:12 pm You're completely doomed which ever way you go. You have a roster with no homerun hitters and your idiot manager refuses to play small ball with the fans' excuse they have no speed. In addition, a pitching staff that gives up more homeruns than about any team in the league in their own home park. Has anyone paid atrention to this team and how many holes it has, including the "manager"?

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:48 pm

cardsrmyteam wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:43 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 15:56 pm Bill & Chaim,
Please note the following fact from the Cubs-Brewers game today.

The Cubs have 3 HR’s and are losing 9-3.

The Brewers have ZERO HR’s and are winning 9-3.

Conclusion: You don’t have to blindly swing for the fences like so many Cardinal hitters to score lots of runs, win games, be exciting, and fill the seats with paying butts.

Bonus history lesson: Tommy Herr had 110 RBI’s on only 8 HR’s in the Cardinals pennant winning season in 1985. Busch Stadium was packed with paying fannies in those days.

So there’s your fricken “business case”. Now go execute it.

Amen. Dave Winfield made the HOF and never hit more than 30 home runs 3 times in his career. This desire to create guys who hit 50 HR's per year should be abandoned and they should have all players play to their strengths, not to the strengths the front office desires.

It really does seem like they’re trying to do that. Jordan Walker looked very promising until they made him obsessive about launch angles. Glad Matt Holiday never bought in to that theory. He was fine with hitting 115 mph grounders that infielders couldn’t handle.

Red7 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 00:01 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:48 pm

cardsrmyteam wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:43 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 15:56 pm Bill & Chaim,
Please note the following fact from the Cubs-Brewers game today.

The Cubs have 3 HR’s and are losing 9-3.

The Brewers have ZERO HR’s and are winning 9-3.

Conclusion: You don’t have to blindly swing for the fences like so many Cardinal hitters to score lots of runs, win games, be exciting, and fill the seats with paying butts.

Bonus history lesson: Tommy Herr had 110 RBI’s on only 8 HR’s in the Cardinals pennant winning season in 1985. Busch Stadium was packed with paying fannies in those days.

So there’s your fricken “business case”. Now go execute it.

Amen. Dave Winfield made the HOF and never hit more than 30 home runs 3 times in his career. This desire to create guys who hit 50 HR's per year should be abandoned and they should have all players play to their strengths, not to the strengths the front office desires.

It really does seem like they’re trying to do that. Jordan Walker looked very promising until they made him obsessive about launch angles. Glad Matt Holiday never bought in to that theory. He was fine with hitting 115 mph grounders that infielders couldn’t handle.

Matt Holliday, Jim Edmonds, Albert Pujols didn’t have to worry about launch angle because they HAD launch angle. The greatest hitter in baseball, Ted Williams, PREACHED long angle. Of course, it was called that then. It was called elevating the ball.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 03:31 am Of the top 10 teams in runs scored for the 2025 season, only 3 (Milwaukee, Toronto, and Boston) didn't hit at least 200 HRs.

Of the bottom 20 teams in runs scored for the 2025 season, only 2 (the Athletics and Angels) hit 200 or more HRs.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:41 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 03:31 am Of the top 10 teams in runs scored for the 2025 season, only 3 (Milwaukee, Toronto, and Boston) didn't hit at least 200 HRs.

Of the bottom 20 teams in runs scored for the 2025 season, only 2 (the Athletics and Angels) hit 200 or more HRs.

First stat says small ball can win, produces runs. Now it’s up to pitching and defense.

Second stat speaks of not that good of players as 18 teams have less than 200 and don’t score runs.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:51 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:41 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 03:31 am Of the top 10 teams in runs scored for the 2025 season, only 3 (Milwaukee, Toronto, and Boston) didn't hit at least 200 HRs.

Of the bottom 20 teams in runs scored for the 2025 season, only 2 (the Athletics and Angels) hit 200 or more HRs.

First stat says small ball can win, produces runs. Now it’s up to pitching and defense.

Second stat speaks of not that good of players as 18 teams have less than 200 and don’t score runs.

I'd say that what it says is that there is a pretty strong correlation between hitting a lot of HRs and being a high scoring offense.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 15:56 pm Bill & Chaim,
Please note the following fact from the Cubs-Brewers game today.

The Cubs have 3 HR’s and are losing 9-3.

The Brewers have ZERO HR’s and are winning 9-3.

Conclusion: You don’t have to blindly swing for the fences like so many Cardinal hitters to score lots of runs, win games, be exciting, and fill the seats with paying butts.

Bonus history lesson: Tommy Herr had 110 RBI’s on only 8 HR’s in the Cardinals pennant winning season in 1985. Busch Stadium was packed with paying fannies in those days.

So there’s your fricken “business case”. Now go execute it.

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 08:48 am The last WS team 2013 didn’t hit many HR but hit many doubles and produced many RBI’s
Molina
44 doubles, 80 RBI, .319, .836
Craig
29 2b, 97 RBI, .315, .830
Carp
55 2b, 78 RBI, .318, .873
Holliday
31 2b, 94 RBI, .300, .879
Beltran
30 2b, 84 RBI, .296, .830

Only Holliday(22) and Beltran(24) hit over 20 HR…….

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:01 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 08:48 am The last WS team 2013 didn’t hit many HR but hit many doubles and produced many RBI’s
Molina
44 doubles, 80 RBI, .319, .836
Craig
29 2b, 97 RBI, .315, .830
Carp
55 2b, 78 RBI, .318, .873
Holliday
31 2b, 94 RBI, .300, .879
Beltran
30 2b, 84 RBI, .296, .830

Only Holliday(22) and Beltran(24) hit over 20 HR…….

And they lost

There's a happy medium between all or nothing.

Balance. You need a threat in your lineup. HRs are the most effective way to score runs

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:08 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:01 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 08:48 am The last WS team 2013 didn’t hit many HR but hit many doubles and produced many RBI’s
Molina
44 doubles, 80 RBI, .319, .836
Craig
29 2b, 97 RBI, .315, .830
Carp
55 2b, 78 RBI, .318, .873
Holliday
31 2b, 94 RBI, .300, .879
Beltran
30 2b, 84 RBI, .296, .830

Only Holliday(22) and Beltran(24) hit over 20 HR…….

And they lost

There's a happy medium between all or nothing.

Balance. You need a threat in your lineup. HRs are the most effective way to score runs

RBI’s are the most effective way to score runs
I think you need to remember where the Cards play…..