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Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games

They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693

Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.


Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.

Here's a breakdown of why:

OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).

In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.

Traditional Stats:

The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.

The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.

Overall Value:

When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).

This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.

Conclusion on Rank:

They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).

They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.

PadsFS07 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 10:26 am Hard to see why Tavares is on the list as well. He barely played.

icon wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 13:09 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games

They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693

Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.


Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.

Here's a breakdown of why:

OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).

In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.

Traditional Stats:

The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.

The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.

Overall Value:

When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).

This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.

Conclusion on Rank:

They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).

They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.

Oscar Taveras barely played and is dead. Leave him the [fork] alone, you low class trash.

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 14:30 pm

icon wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 13:09 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games

They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693

Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.


Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.

Here's a breakdown of why:

OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).

In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.

Traditional Stats:

The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.

The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.

Overall Value:

When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).

This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.

Conclusion on Rank:

They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).

They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.

Oscar Taveras barely played and is dead. Leave him the [fork] alone, you low class trash.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/118 ... l-accident

Yes Lloyd, don’t sully the reputation of this fella who killed his GF and himself driving drunk recklessly at 5x the legal alcohol limit……

icon wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 17:10 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 14:30 pm

icon wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 13:09 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games

They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693

Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.


Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.

Here's a breakdown of why:

OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).

In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.

Traditional Stats:

The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.

The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.

Overall Value:

When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).

This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.

Conclusion on Rank:

They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).

They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.

Oscar Taveras barely played and is dead. Leave him the [fork] alone, you low class trash.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/118 ... l-accident

Yes Lloyd, don’t sully the reputation of this fella who killed his GF and himself driving drunk recklessly at 5x the legal alcohol limit……

Do I hear an echo from more low-class trash? So you're one of those perfect people who never dodged a bullet or 2 from stupid mistakes of youth and beyond. Got it.

Time to shine your goody 2 shoes, asswipe.

russellhammond wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 19:31 pm No reason at all to include Taveras on this list.

icon wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 20:47 pm Countless people drive hammered every single day, and most are just plain lucky they don't kill themselves or others.

Josh Hancock was not so lucky. Neither was Leonard Little, who killed a woman, and he was lionized by Rams fans.

I go to a happy hour some Fridays, and there is a barfly there who gets hammered every day, and he ain't calling Uber. And I've seen it elsewhere many times. Judgment goes out the window after too much to drink. So, many drive instead of getting a ride.

Of course, Oscar Taveras was wrong to drive drunk and recklessly, and he paid with his life and that of his girlfriend. Sad story. But years later, to call him out for meager stats when he barely played and is now dead is both bad baseball analysis and low-class.

Anyway, I don't derail this thread further.

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:01 am

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games

They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693

Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.


Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.

Here's a breakdown of why:

OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).

In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.

Traditional Stats:

The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.

The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.

Overall Value:

When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).

This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.

Conclusion on Rank:

They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).

They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.

Yes, but we have Bloom now and he has magical powers where EVERY draft choice and current minor leaguer will turn into top MLB talent
This is how the Cardinals will once again gain prominence…..within 2-3 yrs….

icon wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 17:10 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 14:30 pm

icon wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 13:09 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games

They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693

Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.


Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.

Here's a breakdown of why:

OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).

In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.

Traditional Stats:

The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.

The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.

Overall Value:

When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).

This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.

Conclusion on Rank:

They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).

They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.

Oscar Taveras barely played and is dead. Leave him the [fork] alone, you low class trash.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/118 ... l-accident

Yes Lloyd, don’t sully the reputation of this fella who killed his GF and himself driving drunk recklessly at 5x the legal alcohol limit……

Do I hear an echo from more low-class trash? So you're one of those perfect people who never dodged a bullet or 2 from stupid mistakes of youth and beyond. Got it.

Time to shine your goody 2 shoes, asswipe.

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 11:11 am

Whatashame wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 10:45 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:08 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:04 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:01 am

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games

They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693

Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.


Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.

Here's a breakdown of why:

OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).

In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.

Traditional Stats:

The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.

The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.

Overall Value:

When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).

This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.

Conclusion on Rank:

They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).

They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.

Yes, but we have Bloom now and he has magical powers where EVERY draft choice and current minor leaguer will turn into top MLB talent
This is how the Cardinals will once again gain prominence…..within 2-3 yrs….

I understand you miss mo but it will be okay

Oz, come on…..you buy into this “we’re going to draft and develop to field a playoff team”? It’s never been that way in modern Cards history
Always a couple outside studs to put it over the top, which means spending money

It’s like that with every team, not just the Cardinals.
The Dodgers
Betts
Freeman
Glasnow
Ohtani
The Phillies
Harper
Turner
Schwarber
Wheeler
The Yankees
Fried
Rodon
Chisholm
Bednar
The Padres
Machado
Bogaerts
Cease
Arraez
You can go on and on. Almost no one doesn’t supplement their roster with FAs and trades. Almost no one grows all of their own talent.

The Cardinals will NOT be successful without supplementing their roster with FAs and an astute trade or two.

Amen that’s why this narrative being shoved down fans throats that we’re in a “rebuilding phase” is BDW propaganda. With the starting group they have now and a couple of the right FA this team could be in the playoff next season. We saw this year, they were in it til June when they kept running out guaranteed loses in Miles and Fedde and Cubbies took our knees out and the season was over.
This doesn’t mean that the team can’t draft and develop…..its means at some point money will need to be spent on outside top talent and theres really no reason to not do it NOW other than BDW doesn’t want to spend money
Current starters worth keeping
Burly 1b
JJ 2b
Winn SS
Donovan 3b
Herrera DH/LF
Crooks/Pages C
LF FA
CF Scott
RF FA

1 Gray
2 FA
3 Libby
4 McGreevy
5 Leahy/other

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 19:52 pm

russellhammond wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 19:31 pm No reason at all to include Taveras on this list.

Do facts bother you?