Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
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Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
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Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Gorman was never considered a can’t miss prospect except by Mel and a few other fans there have always been concerns by scouts about his high swing and miss potentialLloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Yes, but we have Bloom now and he has magical powers where EVERY draft choice and current minor leaguer will turn into top MLB talentLloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
This is how the Cardinals will once again gain prominence…..within 2-3 yrs….


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Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
I understand you miss mo but it will be okayGoldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:01 amYes, but we have Bloom now and he has magical powers where EVERY draft choice and current minor leaguer will turn into top MLB talentLloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
This is how the Cardinals will once again gain prominence…..within 2-3 yrs….
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Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Oz, come on…..you buy into this “we’re going to draft and develop to field a playoff team”? It’s never been that way in modern Cards historyOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:04 amI understand you miss mo but it will be okayGoldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:01 amYes, but we have Bloom now and he has magical powers where EVERY draft choice and current minor leaguer will turn into top MLB talentLloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
This is how the Cardinals will once again gain prominence…..within 2-3 yrs….
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Always a couple outside studs to put it over the top, which means spending money
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Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
And that is the plan once they get a core. The team I order to be successful has to produce and develop internal talent mo destroyed the development system he even admitted he destroyed it so players like Gorman and walker were coming up sucking. Even the successful jocketty teams did that developing internal talent then supplementing them with outside talent that he traded prospects for. You aren’t trading the only one who thinks they are never going to spend again and I don’t know why you are stubbornly clinging to it. The rays and brewers and guardians are good teams on low payrolls imagine if the cardinals are that good at developing talent like them and they’ve brought in guys from the guardians mariners and rays to do just that but then could spend the way the cardinals can that will be a great team. You can accept reality or not but the cardinals can’t spend their way out of the hole Mo dugGoldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:08 amOz, come on…..you buy into this “we’re going to draft and develop to field a playoff team”? It’s never been that way in modern Cards historyOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:04 amI understand you miss mo but it will be okayGoldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:01 amYes, but we have Bloom now and he has magical powers where EVERY draft choice and current minor leaguer will turn into top MLB talentLloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
This is how the Cardinals will once again gain prominence…..within 2-3 yrs….
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Always a couple outside studs to put it over the top, which means spending money
Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Agree on GormanOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:39 amGorman was never considered a can’t miss prospect except by Mel and a few other fans there have always been concerns by scouts about his high swing and miss potentialLloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
In general, I think prospect rankings depend on “tools” of which they usually cite a total of 5.
Gorman really has just one above average and that is raw/elite power.
Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
I think Carlson was higher than Gorman.
Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Hard to see why Tavares is on the list as well. He barely played.
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Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:08 amOz, come on…..you buy into this “we’re going to draft and develop to field a playoff team”? It’s never been that way in modern Cards historyOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:04 amI understand you miss mo but it will be okayGoldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:01 amYes, but we have Bloom now and he has magical powers where EVERY draft choice and current minor leaguer will turn into top MLB talentLloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
This is how the Cardinals will once again gain prominence…..within 2-3 yrs….
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Always a couple outside studs to put it over the top, which means spending money
It’s like that with every team, not just the Cardinals.
The Dodgers
Betts
Freeman
Glasnow
Ohtani
The Phillies
Harper
Turner
Schwarber
Wheeler
The Yankees
Fried
Rodon
Chisholm
Bednar
The Padres
Machado
Bogaerts
Cease
Arraez
You can go on and on. Almost no one doesn’t supplement their roster with FAs and trades. Almost no one grows all of their own talent.
The Cardinals will NOT be successful without supplementing their roster with FAs and an astute trade or two.
Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
This should make Cardinals fans really appreciate the hitting development of Donovan, Burleson and Herrera within the organization.
Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Amen that’s why this narrative being shoved down fans throats that we’re in a “rebuilding phase” is BDW propaganda. With the starting group they have now and a couple of the right FA this team could be in the playoff next season. We saw this year, they were in it til June when they kept running out guaranteed loses in Miles and Fedde and Cubbies took our knees out and the season was over.Whatashame wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 10:45 amGoldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:08 amOz, come on…..you buy into this “we’re going to draft and develop to field a playoff team”? It’s never been that way in modern Cards historyOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:04 amI understand you miss mo but it will be okayGoldfan wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 09:01 amYes, but we have Bloom now and he has magical powers where EVERY draft choice and current minor leaguer will turn into top MLB talentLloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
This is how the Cardinals will once again gain prominence…..within 2-3 yrs….
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Always a couple outside studs to put it over the top, which means spending money
It’s like that with every team, not just the Cardinals.
The Dodgers
Betts
Freeman
Glasnow
Ohtani
The Phillies
Harper
Turner
Schwarber
Wheeler
The Yankees
Fried
Rodon
Chisholm
Bednar
The Padres
Machado
Bogaerts
Cease
Arraez
You can go on and on. Almost no one doesn’t supplement their roster with FAs and trades. Almost no one grows all of their own talent.
The Cardinals will NOT be successful without supplementing their roster with FAs and an astute trade or two.
This doesn’t mean that the team can’t draft and develop…..its means at some point money will need to be spent on outside top talent and theres really no reason to not do it NOW other than BDW doesn’t want to spend money
Current starters worth keeping
Burly 1b
JJ 2b
Winn SS
Donovan 3b
Herrera DH/LF
Crooks/Pages C
LF FA
CF Scott
RF FA
1 Gray
2 FA
3 Libby
4 McGreevy
5 Leahy/other
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Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
Well, none of those guys were ever can’t miss prospects. And one of them had half a season to judge them on before he died. Also, asking AI about them seems like a dumb thing to do.
So yea, kinda dumb all around.
So yea, kinda dumb all around.
Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
What a weird reason to waste several gallons of water...
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Re: Our Last 3 "can't miss" hitting prospects
You can't start somebody dead.... and the sample size was small for Taveras anyway.Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Oct 2025 08:21 am Oscar Tavares(spelling), Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman have played 8 seasons and 785 games
They've accumulated a slash line of .228 / .299 / .394 / .693
Their OPS+ is 98, using the league average OPS from 2014-2025.
Was curious of what Gemini AI would say about player today with these kinds of stats:
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The player would rank among the lower-tier to below-average everyday position players in MLB today.
Here's a breakdown of why:
OPS+ of 98:
OPS+ (On-Base Plus Slugging Plus) is the key metric here. A score of 100 is league average after adjusting for park factors.
An OPS+ of 98 means the player is an ever-so-slightly below-average hitter (2% worse than league average).
In a typical season, there are often around 150-200 players who qualify for the batting title or play enough to be considered a regular. A 98 OPS+ would likely place this player somewhere in the bottom half of that group offensively, perhaps ranking roughly in the 60th to 75th percentile of everyday hitters from the bottom up, meaning they are better than maybe 25−40% of regulars, and worse than 60−75%.
Traditional Stats:
The .693 OPS falls just below the typical range for "Average" (.700 to .7666) and into the "Below Average" (.6334 to .6999) classification.
The .228 AVG is quite low, and the .299 OBP is also low, especially in a modern context where OBP is highly valued. The player relies on the .394 SLG to keep their offense near average.
Overall Value:
When you combine a slightly below-average bat (98 OPS+) with bad to below-average fielding and baserunning, the player's total value (often measured by WAR - Wins Above Replacement) would be very low, likely near or even below replacement level (0.0 WAR).
This profile describes a player who provides offensive production just shy of average but is a liability on defense and sometimes on the bases.
Conclusion on Rank:
They would be a starter on a bad team, a platoon player, or a utility/bench player on a good team, especially if they play a position that doesn't demand elite defense (like 1st base or a corner outfield spot).
They would not be considered a good everyday player, and would be one of the least valuable regulars in the league, perhaps ranking in the bottom 15-20% of all full-time position players by overall value.
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