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The HOF has always made dubious selections. It is not a recent thing.CraigPaquette wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:19 am The HOF is mirroring the current playoff format as they will accept pretty much anyone who had a decent career. No way either one should even be placed on the ballot but as I said they'll accept pretty much anyone these days.
How with the Yankees? Otherwise, he is nowhere close to the player Mize was.nighthawk wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 08:38 am Neither of them are first ballot. Goldschmidt may get in as he was rated among the top three players in the league four times in MVP voting, winning it once. So, the writers thought he was excellent. He also has gold gloves and seemed to be steady presence on his teams. He's ending his career like Johnny Mize, but isn't the hitter that Mize was.
Arenado was rated among the top three players only twice and never won it and I'm not sure the Gold Gloves are enough to overcome the "Coors Effect." He's basically a great fielding Vinny Castillo who really had zero consideration.
Adrian Gonzalez - 43.6 bWARBasil Shabazz wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 08:27 am Are Adrian Gonzalez & Evan Longoria HOFers?
Moving on....
What?Bully4you wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 08:07 am Now that both are gone.
Is it the consensus that they should or should not be in the Hall?
Terrible in the playoffs.
Neither are leaders of men.
Both have stats that are vastly overrated due to ball parks they played in.
I'm not sold on either going to the hall.
Mize was acquired by the Yankees in 1949 at age 36 and succeeded best as a platoon player against righties for which he did well for the remaining five years of his career. Goldschmidt was acquired by the Yankees at age 37 and succeeded best a platoon role against lefties for which he performed well.OldRed wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:25 amHow with the Yankees? Otherwise, he is nowhere close to the player Mize was.nighthawk wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 08:38 am Neither of them are first ballot. Goldschmidt may get in as he was rated among the top three players in the league four times in MVP voting, winning it once. So, the writers thought he was excellent. He also has gold gloves and seemed to be steady presence on his teams. He's ending his career like Johnny Mize, but isn't the hitter that Mize was.
Arenado was rated among the top three players only twice and never won it and I'm not sure the Gold Gloves are enough to overcome the "Coors Effect." He's basically a great fielding Vinny Castillo who really had zero consideration.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 08:42 am Goldy:
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - Goldy 109 (158th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
JAWS
First Base (15th):
Goldy 63.8 career WAR | 45.0 7yr-peak WAR | 54.4 JAWS | 5.0 WAR/162
Average HOF 1B (out of 25):
65.0 career WAR | 42.0 7yr-peak WAR | 53.5 JAWS | 4.8 WAR/162
NADO:
Hall of Fame Monitor
NADO Batting - 122 (127th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
JAWS
Third Base (20th):
NADO 57.8 career WAR | 44.2 7yr-peak WAR | 51.0 JAWS | 5.2 WAR/162
Average HOF 3B (out of 18):
68.9 career WAR | 43.4 7yr-peak WAR | 56.1 JAWS | 5.1 WAR/162
I think both get in eventually but neither is 1st ballot.
JMO
Goldy (IMO) was a slam dunk to get in once he got the MVP award.HorseTrader wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 11:22 amrockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 08:42 am Goldy:
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - Goldy 109 (158th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
JAWS
First Base (15th):
Goldy 63.8 career WAR | 45.0 7yr-peak WAR | 54.4 JAWS | 5.0 WAR/162
Average HOF 1B (out of 25):
65.0 career WAR | 42.0 7yr-peak WAR | 53.5 JAWS | 4.8 WAR/162
NADO:
Hall of Fame Monitor
NADO Batting - 122 (127th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
JAWS
Third Base (20th):
NADO 57.8 career WAR | 44.2 7yr-peak WAR | 51.0 JAWS | 5.2 WAR/162
Average HOF 3B (out of 18):
68.9 career WAR | 43.4 7yr-peak WAR | 56.1 JAWS | 5.1 WAR/162
I think both get in eventually but neither is 1st ballot.
JMO
I agree with that.
Goldy put up 1.2 WAR this year. If he does that again next year, he will match the 65 career WAR of an average HOF 1b. He already has the 7 year peak and the 162 game average.
Arenado, needs 11.1 WAR to reach the career average, that's going to be tough but I think his GG will carry the day
No we can’t.Bully4you wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 08:07 am Now that both are gone.
Is it the consensus that they should or should not be in the Hall?
Terrible in the playoffs.
Neither are leaders of men.
Both have stats that are vastly overrated due to ball parks they played in.
I'm not sold on either going to the hall.
you said itQuincy Varnish wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:33 amAdrian Gonzalez - 43.6 bWARBasil Shabazz wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 08:27 am Are Adrian Gonzalez & Evan Longoria HOFers?
Moving on....
Paul Goldschmidt- 63.8 bWAR
They aren’t close.
Arenado and Longoria are, but the only black type Longo has is grounding into double plays and sacrifice flies. Arenado led the league in HR 3x, RBI 2x, TB 2x, 2B 1x. Longoria has 3 GGs to Arenado’s TEN. Nado has 8x AS appearances to Longo’s 3, and hella more MVP votes.