Bolduc Analysis - Proven Ability

[Pierre McGuire]

This reminds me of when Calgary traded Brett Hull to St. Louis - I remember all of the people on the Flames message board that would say stuff like "he only had one good season" or "he's just a product of our coach".

Flames message board in 1988? What on dial up with your C64?

[STL fan in MN]

This reminds me of when Calgary traded Brett Hull to St. Louis - I remember all of the people on the Flames message board that would say stuff like "he only had one good season" or "he's just a product of our coach".

man lately you havent been annoying but come on brett hull comparing him to bolduc.

brett hull stats
86-87
moncton golden flames
GP67 G50 A42 P92
87-88
calgary
gp52 g26 a24 p50
blues
gp 13 g6 a8 p14

they are hardly comparable.

Tell that to the Flames message board my friend....

There were hockey/Flames message boards in 1988?

[somni]

This reminds me of when Calgary traded Brett Hull to St. Louis - I remember all of the people on the Flames message board that would say stuff like "he only had one good season" or "he's just a product of our coach".

man lately you havent been annoying but come on brett hull comparing him to bolduc.

brett hull stats
86-87
moncton golden flames
GP67 G50 A42 P92
87-88
calgary
gp52 g26 a24 p50
blues
gp 13 g6 a8 p14

they are hardly comparable.

Tell that to the Flames message board my friend....

There were hockey/Flames message boards in 1988?

[a smell of green grass]

What bothers me about the trade is the big picture.

Army and the Blues select later in the draft by choice. In that scenario, the ABSOLUTE VERY BEST that you can hope for is a Bolduc type player.

So what the Blues gave up is THE VERY BEST that we can hope for in the draft. Further, they gave up a player who was TRENDING UP on NHL ice. Bolduc was PROVEN. He was our Success Story. He was a young player that we all followed closely from draft day.

What did the Canadiens give up? They traded away an UNPROVEN player. They traded away a player that few looked up to in Montreal. They traded away a player that they selected later in the draft. Not only can Montreal draft BETTER than Mailloux, they HAVE DRAFTED HIGHER than Mailloux often.

Bolduc is GONE. The question now is HOW MANY MORE BOLDUCS are we going to be "GIVING AWAY" in the next 3 years--BECAUSE WE DON"T DRAFT HIGH IN THE DRAFT.

Anybody not PO'd about Bolduc is not paying attention. Anybody that doesn't see an ugly, nasty trend starting is not paying attention.

[Bubble4427]

This reminds me of when Calgary traded Brett Hull to St. Louis - I remember all of the people on the Flames message board that would say stuff like "he only had one good season" or "he's just a product of our coach".

man lately you havent been annoying but come on brett hull comparing him to bolduc.

brett hull stats
86-87
moncton golden flames
GP67 G50 A42 P92
87-88
calgary
gp52 g26 a24 p50
blues
gp 13 g6 a8 p14

they are hardly comparable.

Tell that to the Flames message board my friend....

I don’t think message boards were even a thing in ‘88 were they?
And if they were, you were actually hanging out on a Calgary message board?

For every Brett Hull trade….there were 10 that didn’t work out, and actually tanked. It’ll be 3-5 years before the Bolduc/Mailoux trade will be able to be accurately judged IMO.

[Nublues69]

This reminds me of when Calgary traded Brett Hull to St. Louis - I remember all of the people on the Flames message board that would say stuff like "he only had one good season" or "he's just a product of our coach".

man lately you havent been annoying but come on brett hull comparing him to bolduc.

brett hull stats
86-87
moncton golden flames
GP67 G50 A42 P92
87-88
calgary
gp52 g26 a24 p50
blues
gp 13 g6 a8 p14

they are hardly comparable.

Tell that to the Flames message board my friend....

I am good i generally just stay on my board rather than go to an opposing teams board and randomly stir the pot.....

[STL fan in MN]

What bothers me about the trade is the big picture.

Army and the Blues select later in the draft by choice. In that scenario, the ABSOLUTE VERY BEST that you can hope for is a Bolduc type player.

So what the Blues gave up is THE VERY BEST that we can hope for in the draft. Further, they gave up a player who was TRENDING UP on NHL ice. Bolduc was PROVEN. He was our Success Story. He was a young player that we all followed closely from draft day.

What did the Canadiens give up? They traded away an UNPROVEN player. They traded away a player that few looked up to in Montreal. They traded away a player that they selected later in the draft. Not only can Montreal draft BETTER than Mailloux, they HAVE DRAFTED HIGHER than Mailloux often.

Bolduc is GONE. The question now is HOW MANY MORE BOLDUCS are we going to be "GIVING AWAY" in the next 3 years--BECAUSE WE DON"T DRAFT HIGH IN THE DRAFT.

Anybody not PO'd about Bolduc is not paying attention. Anybody that doesn't see an ugly, nasty trend starting is not paying attention.

Counterpoint: we are paying attention but just see it much differently than you.

Draft position doesn’t matter much past draft day. After that, what matters is performance and value. Bolduc performed “more” in that he did well in the 2/3 season under Monty. Mailloux isn’t currently as “proven” but he’s a RD and that position is simply much more valuable than a LW/RW.

Players values fluctuate. What spot they were drafted in doesn’t really matter much past draft day. In the 2021 draft, Bolduc was selected 17th and Mailloux 31st…but that hardly matters today. Values change over time. Tyler Boucher was drafted 10th overall that year. Would it have been better value to trade Bolduc for Boucher instead? No! Because Boucher hasn’t performed well at all and his value is much less now.

In the end, both STL and MTL traded from an area of surplus for a player that could help them more now. Bolduc was a good rookie RW for us last season. Snuggerud should be that for us this season and appears likely to have an even bigger impact. In the meantime, we’ve also added Mailloux, getting younger and someone that should fit much better longterm than Leddy. We’ll just have to see how the 2 of them perform over the years. But overall, I agree with dr0zombie in that this trade is very likely to be a win-win for both teams. Life isn’t a zero sum game. For every winner there doesn’t have to be a loser. I think both MTL and STL did well here, trading for an asset that fit both of their needs better.

[MiamiLaw]

Of course Bolduc will do well as i have shown repeatedly the Blues amatuer dept excels and consistently produce kids who outperform their draft position.
This was the right move bc a young stud RHD is far more valuable that a top 6 LW. Blues have Carbonneau, Dvorsky, Stenberg on the upswing and Kyrou, Snuggerud, Buch, Holloway and Neighbours already firmly entrenched so they were in a position to trade from depth.
All that said as i mentioned before Bolducs ONLY pro hockey production has come in a small window under Monty so while Im sure Bolduc will produce he isnt a sure thing yet

Of course I understand the thinking of trading from strength for a position of weakness. But I am not sure why you refer to LM as a "stud". He has not shown that he is one. Maybe he will develop into that but no one with any knowledge of him has called him a "stud". They say he has tools to be good though. Whether he does that is completely up in the air. We know ZB will be in the league for a long time barring injury because he has proven he can play. We DO NOT know that about LM. Don't act like this isn't a big gamble.

[Pierre McGuire]

This reminds me of when Calgary traded Brett Hull to St. Louis - I remember all of the people on the Flames message board that would say stuff like "he only had one good season" or "he's just a product of our coach".

man lately you havent been annoying but come on brett hull comparing him to bolduc.

brett hull stats
86-87
moncton golden flames
GP67 G50 A42 P92
87-88
calgary
gp52 g26 a24 p50
blues
gp 13 g6 a8 p14

they are hardly comparable.

Tell that to the Flames message board my friend....

There were hockey/Flames message boards in 1988?

There were bulletin boards not sure there was a Flames on though lol

[a smell of green grass]

What bothers me about the trade is the big picture.

Army and the Blues select later in the draft by choice. In that scenario, the ABSOLUTE VERY BEST that you can hope for is a Bolduc type player.

So what the Blues gave up is THE VERY BEST that we can hope for in the draft. Further, they gave up a player who was TRENDING UP on NHL ice. Bolduc was PROVEN. He was our Success Story. He was a young player that we all followed closely from draft day.

What did the Canadiens give up? They traded away an UNPROVEN player. They traded away a player that few looked up to in Montreal. They traded away a player that they selected later in the draft. Not only can Montreal draft BETTER than Mailloux, they HAVE DRAFTED HIGHER than Mailloux often.

Bolduc is GONE. The question now is HOW MANY MORE BOLDUCS are we going to be "GIVING AWAY" in the next 3 years--BECAUSE WE DON"T DRAFT HIGH IN THE DRAFT.

Anybody not PO'd about Bolduc is not paying attention. Anybody that doesn't see an ugly, nasty trend starting is not paying attention.

Counterpoint: we are paying attention but just see it much differently than you.

Draft position doesn’t matter much past draft day. After that, what matters is performance and value. Bolduc performed “more” in that he did well in the 2/3 season under Monty. Mailloux isn’t currently as “proven” but he’s a RD and that position is simply much more valuable than a LW/RW.

Players values fluctuate. What spot they were drafted in doesn’t really matter much past draft day. In the 2021 draft, Bolduc was selected 17th and Mailloux 31st…but that hardly matters today. Values change over time. Tyler Boucher was drafted 10th overall that year. Would it have been better value to trade Bolduc for Boucher instead? No! Because Boucher hasn’t performed well at all and his value is much less now.

In the end, both STL and MTL traded from an area of surplus for a player that could help them more now. Bolduc was a good rookie RW for us last season. Snuggerud should be that for us this season and appears likely to have an even bigger impact. In the meantime, we’ve also added Mailloux, getting younger and someone that should fit much better longterm than Leddy. We’ll just have to see how the 2 of them perform over the years. But overall, I agree with dr0zombie in that this trade is very likely to be a win-win for both teams. Life isn’t a zero sum game. For every winner there doesn’t have to be a loser. I think both MTL and STL did well here, trading for an asset that fit both of their needs better.

Ask yourself this...
Which roster improved the most via this trade?
A) The one that got the other team's best, and a proven NHL talent.
B) The one that got the other team's 3rd best and an unproven NHL talent.

Army has taken a huge chance on the raffle ticket for an RHD. Maybe it will work out, but it was a huge gamble.

[seattleblue]

The Blues message boards in the 1950s during the Howe era, I used to hang out on them so I know what everyone thought then and I can speak for them.

So they traded from the hockey position with the heaviest glut of quality players around the league for the hockey position with the shallowest pool of quality players around the league. but prince goof has 78 essays about how he is incapable of understanding this, and in fact screaming about how unwise that is. like a baby whose tantrums must be everyone's problem because baby has no self control

[a smell of green grass]

The Blues message boards in the 1950s during the Howe era, I used to hang out on them so I know what everyone thought then and I can speak for them.

So they traded from the hockey position with the heaviest glut of quality players around the league for the hockey position with the shallowest pool of quality players around the league. but prince goof has 78 essays about how he is incapable of understanding this, and in fact screaming about how unwise that is. like a baby whose tantrums must be everyone's problem because baby has no self control

And if Mailloux doesn't work out, no worries.
We can trade away DVO and a 1st Round pick for Mailloux II.
And if Mailloux II does work out, no worries.
We can trade away Stenberg and a 1st Round pick for Mailloux III.

While other teams' cherry pick our best, we can buy one raffle ticket after another on their throwaways.

[BalotelliMassive]

This reminds me of when Calgary traded Brett Hull to St. Louis - I remember all of the people on the Flames message board that would say stuff like "he only had one good season" or "he's just a product of our coach".

Flames message board in 1988? What on dial up with your C64?

Back then we used birds to get the messages back and forth - that's how the American goldfinch was introduced into their ecosystem.

Back then the moderators would just shoot your message out of the sky with 12 gauge birdshot if they didn't like you...

Also - why do people respond to grass threads seriously?

[somni]

Here's my friend chatting it up about Håkan Loob.

[STL fan in MN]

What bothers me about the trade is the big picture.

Army and the Blues select later in the draft by choice. In that scenario, the ABSOLUTE VERY BEST that you can hope for is a Bolduc type player.

So what the Blues gave up is THE VERY BEST that we can hope for in the draft. Further, they gave up a player who was TRENDING UP on NHL ice. Bolduc was PROVEN. He was our Success Story. He was a young player that we all followed closely from draft day.

What did the Canadiens give up? They traded away an UNPROVEN player. They traded away a player that few looked up to in Montreal. They traded away a player that they selected later in the draft. Not only can Montreal draft BETTER than Mailloux, they HAVE DRAFTED HIGHER than Mailloux often.

Bolduc is GONE. The question now is HOW MANY MORE BOLDUCS are we going to be "GIVING AWAY" in the next 3 years--BECAUSE WE DON"T DRAFT HIGH IN THE DRAFT.

Anybody not PO'd about Bolduc is not paying attention. Anybody that doesn't see an ugly, nasty trend starting is not paying attention.

Counterpoint: we are paying attention but just see it much differently than you.

Draft position doesn’t matter much past draft day. After that, what matters is performance and value. Bolduc performed “more” in that he did well in the 2/3 season under Monty. Mailloux isn’t currently as “proven” but he’s a RD and that position is simply much more valuable than a LW/RW.

Players values fluctuate. What spot they were drafted in doesn’t really matter much past draft day. In the 2021 draft, Bolduc was selected 17th and Mailloux 31st…but that hardly matters today. Values change over time. Tyler Boucher was drafted 10th overall that year. Would it have been better value to trade Bolduc for Boucher instead? No! Because Boucher hasn’t performed well at all and his value is much less now.

In the end, both STL and MTL traded from an area of surplus for a player that could help them more now. Bolduc was a good rookie RW for us last season. Snuggerud should be that for us this season and appears likely to have an even bigger impact. In the meantime, we’ve also added Mailloux, getting younger and someone that should fit much better longterm than Leddy. We’ll just have to see how the 2 of them perform over the years. But overall, I agree with dr0zombie in that this trade is very likely to be a win-win for both teams. Life isn’t a zero sum game. For every winner there doesn’t have to be a loser. I think both MTL and STL did well here, trading for an asset that fit both of their needs better.

Ask yourself this...
Which roster improved the most via this trade?
A) The one that got the other team's best, and a proven NHL talent.
B) The one that got the other team's 3rd best and an unproven NHL talent.

Army has taken a huge chance on the raffle ticket for an RHD. Maybe it will work out, but it was a huge gamble.

Your position is a fallacy. In no way was Bolduc the Blues “best”. He wasn’t anywhere close to the Blues best winger or forwards last season. Nor was he the best winger or forward prospect. He did well for a rookie but he was pretty clearly behind Kyrou, Holloway, Buch, Neighbours and then Snuggerud pretty quickly passed him as well. Bolduc didn’t even score his first goal last season until late February. In no way was he anything close to our “best”. Even when injuries hit and he was doing better, he still never sniffed above the 3rd line.

[seattleblue]

The Blues message boards in the 1950s during the Howe era, I used to hang out on them so I know what everyone thought then and I can speak for them.

So they traded from the hockey position with the heaviest glut of quality players around the league for the hockey position with the shallowest pool of quality players around the league. but prince goof has 78 essays about how he is incapable of understanding this, and in fact screaming about how unwise that is. like a baby whose tantrums must be everyone's problem because baby has no self control

And if Mailloux doesn't work out, no worries.
We can trade away DVO and a 1st Round pick for Mailloux II.
And if Mailloux II does work out, no worries.
We can trade away Stenberg and a 1st Round pick for Mailloux III.

While other teams' cherry pick our best, we can buy one raffle ticket after another on their throwaways.

no stupid. not "no" worries. calculated risk. that is life, you have to take them. hello.