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BDW won’t spend any part of what he saves. If you think he will, you are a cotton-headed ninny muggin.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:13 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:55 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:41 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:36 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.

That's why he should be traded this offseason.

Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything

He does nothing for this team.

14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.

Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.

I don't trust BDW to reinvenst anything. Unless its a 1 yr deal for lance lynn and kyle gibson types. Gray excites me more than that.

The Cards could use '24 Lynn and Gibson next year...

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:08 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:13 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:55 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:41 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:36 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.

That's why he should be traded this offseason.

Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything

He does nothing for this team.

14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.

Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.

I don't trust BDW to reinvenst anything. Unless its a 1 yr deal for lance lynn and kyle gibson types. Gray excites me more than that.

The Cards could use '24 Lynn and Gibson next year...

They will need 2-3 SPs to get them through the season. I'm all for it, they shouldn't be expensive.

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:12 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:08 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:13 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:55 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:41 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:36 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.

That's why he should be traded this offseason.

Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything

He does nothing for this team.

14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.

Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.

I don't trust BDW to reinvenst anything. Unless its a 1 yr deal for lance lynn and kyle gibson types. Gray excites me more than that.

The Cards could use '24 Lynn and Gibson next year...

They will need 2-3 SPs to get them through the season. I'm all for it, they shouldn't be expensive.

Right. And, IMO, these are the kind of modest deals Bloom should be making in 2026, given the state of the team.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:36 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:12 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:08 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:13 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:55 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:41 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:36 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.

That's why he should be traded this offseason.

Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything

He does nothing for this team.

14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.

Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.

I don't trust BDW to reinvenst anything. Unless its a 1 yr deal for lance lynn and kyle gibson types. Gray excites me more than that.

The Cards could use '24 Lynn and Gibson next year...

They will need 2-3 SPs to get them through the season. I'm all for it, they shouldn't be expensive.

Right. And, IMO, these are the kind of modest deals Bloom should be making in 2026, given the state of the team.

Yea, seems clear to me they aren't going to spend much money til after they know what the new cap system is going to look like.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

You really think the owners as a group will eat the entire season. I don’t.
We have been thru this before. Tough talk but cooler heads prevail. Too much $$$$ for owners to lose to scrap all 162.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:55 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:41 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:36 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.

That's why he should be traded this offseason.

Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything

He does nothing for this team.

14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.

Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.

Since when? He declined to waive his NTC last offseason AND at the trade deadline this year when asked.

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 16:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:55 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:41 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:36 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.

That's why he should be traded this offseason.

Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything

He does nothing for this team.

14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.

Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.

Since when? He declined to waive his NTC last offseason AND at the trade deadline this year when asked.

Talk on the radio is that hes willing to do it now.

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 16:12 pm

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 16:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:55 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:41 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:36 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.

That's why he should be traded this offseason.

Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything

He does nothing for this team.

14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.

Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.

Since when? He declined to waive his NTC last offseason AND at the trade deadline this year when asked.

Talk on the radio is that hes willing to do it now.

Gotcha. Makes sense. The reluctance before didn't. But good to know, thanks.

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:12 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:08 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:13 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:38 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:02 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:55 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:41 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:36 am

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

If they play more than one month of the season in 2027 you lose that bet. I think they will not play all season, but I wouldn't bet that kind of money on it.

That's why he should be traded this offseason.

Yeah, not at $35 million...he's not bringing anything

He does nothing for this team.

14 wins. 15 last night if we had any defense at all.

Gray has been solid.

Gray also wants to be traded.

Trade Gray, then pick up two pitchers with that money saved.

I don't trust BDW to reinvenst anything. Unless its a 1 yr deal for lance lynn and kyle gibson types. Gray excites me more than that.

The Cards could use '24 Lynn and Gibson next year...

They will need 2-3 SPs to get them through the season. I'm all for it, they shouldn't be expensive.

With that money saved, I'd like to see them go after high risk/high reward guys that if one of the two pan out, you flip at the deadline for young talent.

Something a little less than what the Cubs did with Matthew Boyd? Zac Gallen will be a FA and had a down year - enough to bring his value down to where he goes for a pillow deal? Tyler Mahle? Dustin May?

I don't know. The standings won't matter, so try and extract value out of guys like that knowing you intend to pay them for just 60% of the season.

If Dewitt ponies up a sizeable chunk of Arenado's remaining salary ($37MM after CO's payment) to move him, will he really want to do some version of that for Sonny Gray as well?

SG is nowhere near a "$35 million pitcher". If they had to pay ~ half of his salary to move him, at that point the better decision might be to keep him for their own rotation's needs.

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

this, we need players who want to win, not cash pay checks, he had a chance to go to any tem in title race and wanted to cash checks, and he's never won a thing.

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 17:06 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

That should be another teams problem.

this, we need players who want to win, not cash pay checks, he had a chance to go to any tem in title race and wanted to cash checks, and he's never won a thing.

Yea and there is just no reason to pay a guy $30M for a team that is probably going to finish in 4th place next year and is in the process of rebuilding a bit and a couple of years away from really competing again.

The only way we pick up the 2027 options is IF 1- the new CBA is done early in 2026 season 2- the Cards young guys really start coming around (Gorman, Scott, Walker, Ivan...and others) 3- Gray pitches in 2026 like he did in 2023 4- Dewitt tells Bloom, I'm getting old, I want ONE more WS, here's the checkbook, go for it

That's 4 things that have to fall in place. I wouldn't want to make a big bet on even ONE of them,

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:47 am If we don't pickup his option or renegotiate, he gets $5M at the end fo 2026 to walk away. But if we take the option, and IF the entire 2027 season gets locked out, he gets a pro-rated amount of $30M which would in that case be zero.

There's a pessimistic case for saving money by taking the option.

It all depends on how close they are to fielding a contender in 2027. If they are a decent SP away and Gray is still effective, they take the option. They won't go to FA for starting pitching.