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bccardsfan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:28 am He is also not really a good second baseman either. He is a 1B / DH type. Gee, we really need another one of those.... If they can get WC to waive the NTC then maybe that clears a spot. But the bat isn't that impressive either, although NG has shown signs of more maturity at the plate. Perhaps he will continue to develop. Or, quite possibly, this is who he is.... sigh....

Seriously? Trade Contreras to open a spot for Gorman? You must really want the Cardinals to go full tank mode next season.

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:22 am

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:14 am Wetherholt will start next season. It's just a question whether it's at 3B or 2B. If it's the latter where will Donovan play? Perhaps LF? It depends on where and if Gorman is in the plans for 2026.

I think if you're using Gorman, his best position is 2B (best defense, and where the offense carries the most value). His alternative best use is rotating between 2B/1B/3B/DH and starting 50-75% of the time.

If Wetherholt can play 3B, it's something to think about. But I don't think you move Wetherholt off his position and down the defensive chart just to give Gorman more chances. And I still think Gorman could potentially be valuable as a starting 2B. It's a tough situation.

My feeling is to carve out 2B for Wetherholt, give him his position. Hopefully the organization has learned from jacking players around. Gorman comes secondary to Wetherholt at this point.

His position is SS

Norman @ 3rd Base

-2 DRS

-6 OAA

I've tried to remain objective because I know how hard it is to move from one side of the diamond to the other (angle off the ball, release point on your throws, ext...0 but he's just not good w/the glove.

As many have stated, DH or 1st base once WillyC leaves is his spot (if he's still here and if he's hitting).

hullie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 06:29 am Easily the worst in the league. And he doesn’t hit the position. Why so many amateurs can see that and those in the know can’t.

Even Captain Ahab can see this

He beckons.

bccardsfan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:28 am He is also not really a good second baseman either. He is a 1B / DH type. Gee, we really need another one of those.... If they can get WC to waive the NTC then maybe that clears a spot. But the bat isn't that impressive either, although NG has shown signs of more maturity at the plate. Perhaps he will continue to develop. Or, quite possibly, this is who he is.... sigh....

What this team really needs is another catcher. Their big free agent signing Contreras and the other catchers are not enough we need more. Contreras, Herrera, Pages, Pozo, and Crooks have all been on the roster this year. Bernal and Rodriguez are the Cards #3 and #4 prospects. If we only had more catchers.

russellhammond wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:15 pm

bccardsfan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:28 am He is also not really a good second baseman either. He is a 1B / DH type. Gee, we really need another one of those.... If they can get WC to waive the NTC then maybe that clears a spot. But the bat isn't that impressive either, although NG has shown signs of more maturity at the plate. Perhaps he will continue to develop. Or, quite possibly, this is who he is.... sigh....

Seriously? Trade Contreras to open a spot for Gorman? You must really want the Cardinals to go full tank mode next season.

WC is an adequate first baseman, but he is not part of the future. I am not saying trade him to open a spot specifically for NG, but you have Burley, Gorman and whoever else who are essentially 1B/DH types. Gorman is pretty bad at 2B too, and JJ should be there next season unless he is at third. Nado and WC are not the future of this club. WC vanishes for long stretches. He is streaky. Gorman's bat is certainly not better, no. Nor is Burley's. Something has to give though. You cannot have a roster with Gorman, WC, Burley, and probably IH, as guys who can only play 1B or DH. I have no idea who will get traded, but you cannot have them all on the roster next season. Nado needs to go too. At least a couple of these guys have to be moved. Third base will be interesting next year. If Nado stays, then certainly he starts there, but will he be injured or basically vanish on offense? What will Donovan's role be? His bat plays at 2B and maybe LF, but you want more power out of a corner IFer. It is a poorly constructed roster and guys are going to get moved in trade to clear some of the duplication. IF anyone will give any sort of return.....

No room for Gorman.

1B/DH Contreras, Herrera, Burleson
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan and Arenado

We have Saggese, Prieto, Fermin and Torres, too, for depth.

Don't judge Gorman this year.

Let him work on only 3B in the offseason and ST. Open with him at 3B. If he can't cut it, we have like 7 other players who can play it.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:22 am

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:14 am Wetherholt will start next season. It's just a question whether it's at 3B or 2B. If it's the latter where will Donovan play? Perhaps LF? It depends on where and if Gorman is in the plans for 2026.

I think if you're using Gorman, his best position is 2B (best defense, and where the offense carries the most value). His alternative best use is rotating between 2B/1B/3B/DH and starting 50-75% of the time.

If Wetherholt can play 3B, it's something to think about. But I don't think you move Wetherholt off his position and down the defensive chart just to give Gorman more chances. And I still think Gorman could potentially be valuable as a starting 2B. It's a tough situation.

My feeling is to carve out 2B for Wetherholt, give him his position. Hopefully the organization has learned from jacking players around. Gorman comes secondary to Wetherholt at this point.

His position is SS

JJ can also play 3B and 2B.

I know you want Winn gone, son.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:22 am

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:14 am Wetherholt will start next season. It's just a question whether it's at 3B or 2B. If it's the latter where will Donovan play? Perhaps LF? It depends on where and if Gorman is in the plans for 2026.

I think if you're using Gorman, his best position is 2B (best defense, and where the offense carries the most value). His alternative best use is rotating between 2B/1B/3B/DH and starting 50-75% of the time.

If Wetherholt can play 3B, it's something to think about. But I don't think you move Wetherholt off his position and down the defensive chart just to give Gorman more chances. And I still think Gorman could potentially be valuable as a starting 2B. It's a tough situation.

My feeling is to carve out 2B for Wetherholt, give him his position. Hopefully the organization has learned from jacking players around. Gorman comes secondary to Wetherholt at this point.

His position is SS

JJ can also play 3B and 2B.

I know you want Winn gone, son.

You know nothing...but keep being you.

Winn can also pitch...you know my point is to stop putting players in positions they don't play.

How many "utility players" can a team have? .End up with a master of none

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 07:17 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:22 am

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:14 am Wetherholt will start next season. It's just a question whether it's at 3B or 2B. If it's the latter where will Donovan play? Perhaps LF? It depends on where and if Gorman is in the plans for 2026.

I think if you're using Gorman, his best position is 2B (best defense, and where the offense carries the most value). His alternative best use is rotating between 2B/1B/3B/DH and starting 50-75% of the time.

If Wetherholt can play 3B, it's something to think about. But I don't think you move Wetherholt off his position and down the defensive chart just to give Gorman more chances. And I still think Gorman could potentially be valuable as a starting 2B. It's a tough situation.

My feeling is to carve out 2B for Wetherholt, give him his position. Hopefully the organization has learned from jacking players around. Gorman comes secondary to Wetherholt at this point.

His position is SS

JJ can also play 3B and 2B.

I know you want Winn gone, son.

You know nothing...but keep being you.

Winn can also pitch...you know my point is to stop putting players in positions they don't play.

How many "utility players" can a team have? .End up with a master of none

This is true. Too many square pegs in round holes. Will it hold, yes. Is it water right , no.

I like JJ at third. His bat is too big for second. Donovan can man second. JJ to third. Winn at short. MLB best infield.

Now that scenario is pure speculation. JJ has to fit.

Been a while since we had a stud on third, first, and either center or right.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 07:56 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 07:17 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:22 am

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:14 am Wetherholt will start next season. It's just a question whether it's at 3B or 2B. If it's the latter where will Donovan play? Perhaps LF? It depends on where and if Gorman is in the plans for 2026.

I think if you're using Gorman, his best position is 2B (best defense, and where the offense carries the most value). His alternative best use is rotating between 2B/1B/3B/DH and starting 50-75% of the time.

If Wetherholt can play 3B, it's something to think about. But I don't think you move Wetherholt off his position and down the defensive chart just to give Gorman more chances. And I still think Gorman could potentially be valuable as a starting 2B. It's a tough situation.

My feeling is to carve out 2B for Wetherholt, give him his position. Hopefully the organization has learned from jacking players around. Gorman comes secondary to Wetherholt at this point.

His position is SS

JJ can also play 3B and 2B.

I know you want Winn gone, son.

You know nothing...but keep being you.

Winn can also pitch...you know my point is to stop putting players in positions they don't play.

How many "utility players" can a team have? .End up with a master of none

This is true. Too many square pegs in round holes. Will it hold, yes. Is it water right , no.

I like JJ at third. His bat is too big for second. Donovan can man second. JJ to third. Winn at short. MLB best infield.

Now that scenario is pure speculation. JJ has to fit.

Been a while since we had a stud on third, first, and either center or right.

This team is overloaded with left-handed bats.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 07:17 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:22 am

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:14 am Wetherholt will start next season. It's just a question whether it's at 3B or 2B. If it's the latter where will Donovan play? Perhaps LF? It depends on where and if Gorman is in the plans for 2026.

I think if you're using Gorman, his best position is 2B (best defense, and where the offense carries the most value). His alternative best use is rotating between 2B/1B/3B/DH and starting 50-75% of the time.

If Wetherholt can play 3B, it's something to think about. But I don't think you move Wetherholt off his position and down the defensive chart just to give Gorman more chances. And I still think Gorman could potentially be valuable as a starting 2B. It's a tough situation.

My feeling is to carve out 2B for Wetherholt, give him his position. Hopefully the organization has learned from jacking players around. Gorman comes secondary to Wetherholt at this point.

His position is SS

JJ can also play 3B and 2B.

I know you want Winn gone, son.

You know nothing...but keep being you.

Winn can also pitch...you know my point is to stop putting players in positions they don't play.

How many "utility players" can a team have? .End up with a master of none

A simple 'scoutyjones2 + winn' search on CT reveals all you need to know.

You want Winn gone.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:17 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:22 am

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:14 am Wetherholt will start next season. It's just a question whether it's at 3B or 2B. If it's the latter where will Donovan play? Perhaps LF? It depends on where and if Gorman is in the plans for 2026.

I think if you're using Gorman, his best position is 2B (best defense, and where the offense carries the most value). His alternative best use is rotating between 2B/1B/3B/DH and starting 50-75% of the time.

If Wetherholt can play 3B, it's something to think about. But I don't think you move Wetherholt off his position and down the defensive chart just to give Gorman more chances. And I still think Gorman could potentially be valuable as a starting 2B. It's a tough situation.

My feeling is to carve out 2B for Wetherholt, give him his position. Hopefully the organization has learned from jacking players around. Gorman comes secondary to Wetherholt at this point.

His position is SS

His position is second base. Winn is the shortstop. Get used to it.

cardstatman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:43 pm No room for Gorman.

1B/DH Contreras, Herrera, Burleson
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan and Arenado

We have Saggese, Prieto, Fermin and Torres, too, for depth.

Agree!
If Arenado stays he is at 3B. That shifts Donovan to LF(if he is not dealt).
If Arenado is dealt then Donovan to 3B.
And then you still have one or two extra LH bats.
Especially when you factor in Wetherholt and Crooks emerging in 2026.
And you clearly have to find a spot for Herrera.
I doubt he catches again so it is DH/LF.