Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:14 pm
None of them are going to get a teams top prospects but if you trade Donovan and burly or Donovan and Herrera then yea you could probably get a decent prospect. Burly and Donovan and Herrera have the most value in my opinion
I would try to cash for Int'l FA market. Possibly get a Comp Pick in next years draft. Then sign a couple of aging veterans to fill the innings role.
Like you said, we're not getting a TOTR starter. We're not competing next years anyways. If we do, it's b/c the offense took a bigger step forward than anyone thought they would
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:55 pm
Burleson
Donovan
Gorman
Nootbaar
Herrera
Scott
Walker
Crooks or Pages
Cause 2 or 3 of these dudes need to be moved for pitching and roster/position redundancy
Your not listing the guy that would make a difference in a package deal…..Winn
Only if we are getting a Hunter Greene in return.
Yea a legit ACE for a light hitting defense specialist. Lower your value of Winn.
Still he's our WAR leader. You don't trade that unless you can get an ACE. Add someone else in the package if needed. Just if the return isn't there, you keep Winn.
Last trade simulator I saw had Greene at 14 and Winn at 8 per year value. Offense gives more trade value than defense. So maybe Winn and Walker or Gorman might get close
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 16:47 pm
Burleson would dangerous as DH in small park
Donovan solid player
Herrera if allowed to catch by another organization
The rest of them, not much return
No team is using Herrera as a catcher..unless it's an emergency
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 16:47 pm
Burleson would dangerous as DH in small park
Donovan solid player
Herrera if allowed to catch by another organization
The rest of them, not much return
No team is using Herrera as a catcher..unless it's an emergency
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 16:47 pm
Burleson would dangerous as DH in small park
Donovan solid player
Herrera if allowed to catch by another organization
The rest of them, not much return
No team is using Herrera as a catcher..unless it's an emergency
That clearly was stated
I see the following stated, by you...
"Herrera if allowed to catch by another organization"
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:55 pm
Burleson
Donovan
Gorman
Nootbaar
Herrera
Scott
Walker
Crooks or Pages
Cause 2 or 3 of these dudes need to be moved for pitching and roster/position redundancy
Your not listing the guy that would make a difference in a package deal…..Winn
Only if we are getting a Hunter Greene in return.
Yea a legit ACE for a light hitting defense specialist. Lower your value of Winn.
Still he's our WAR leader. You don't trade that unless you can get an ACE. Add someone else in the package if needed. Just if the return isn't there, you keep Winn.
Last trade simulator I saw had Greene at 14 and Winn at 8 per year value. Offense gives more trade value than defense. So maybe Winn and Walker or Gorman might get close
Yeah I would do that trade, if JJW is able to play SS.
No trades or signings are coming to help in 2016. While I do see the Cardinals trading for pitching help, it’s going to be for pitchers taken in 2nd-3rd round who will be looked to help in 27/28. Maybe a #2 with the potential to maybe develop into a #1. Think a Tyler O’Neill type, only a pitcher.
Highest return would be Donovan, IMHO. However, he's not a guy I would trade.
I'd trade Gorman for a low level minor leaguer with potential... or a RH outfield bat to replace Walker, who goes to Memphis.
I'm listening about Burleson and Nootbar, too.
2026 rotation is Gray, Mathews, Liberatore, McGreevy, Pallante
Roby, Hence, Rincon, Doyle, Henderson, Mautz, Hansen are a year away.
They should sign two stopgap starters for 2026 that they could trade at the deadline and move Pallante to a bullpen longman.
A six man rotation could work with a guy like Pallante eating 3 bullpen innings every 4-5 days for 100+ innings in 35-40 appearances for the year.
When a starter gets hurt, they just fall back into a 5-man rotation.
When a 2nd starter gets hurt, then Pallante is your #7 starter.
However, I have doubts they will sign anyone significant. I have higher hopes of lots of trades this winter just to shake things up. Clearly the fans don't want to watch the current players most of whom have struggled through 3 dismal seasons with very little turnover.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 22:28 pm
No trades or signings are coming to help in 2016. While I do see the Cardinals trading for pitching help, it’s going to be for pitchers taken in 2nd-3rd round who will be looked to help in 27/28. Maybe a #2 with the potential to maybe develop into a #1. Think a Tyler O’Neill type, only a pitcher.
Red7 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 22:28 pm
No trades or signings are coming to help in 2016. While I do see the Cardinals trading for pitching help, it’s going to be for pitchers taken in 2nd-3rd round who will be looked to help in 27/28. Maybe a #2 with the potential to maybe develop into a #1. Think a Tyler O’Neill type, only a pitcher.
That should read 2026…
although it was more factual
Not that KC would do it again, 2 years of India
was traded for 2 years of Singer.
I think there are players on the OP list superior to India, except against the Cards.
So when Woo of Seattle was getting his first looks at the show, his est. trade value was modest, so some of the players by themselves on the OP's list could have possibly triggered a trade, but you never know how the Mariners valued Woo and if they would have been willing to trade.
Similar when Lopez was with the Marlins.
Then last year you had Crochet before the deadline being available for trade, and that would have likely required a package of good prospects.
Idk who would be similar current SP targets like Woo or Lopez for the Cards to trade for, but if you can project several good SP prospect that haven't yet established themselves at the show, that could be the first step.
I'm not sure trying to trade for an established #2 SP is very doable, but obviously trying to trade for a good SP prospect who hasn't yet established in MLB carries plenty of risk of him not developing into what you hoped for, but a package of just one of Gorman/Burly and Pozo as an example may be enough to obtain one if you can find a willing trade partner.
I am guessing Bloom is going to target SP prospects that are ML ready that are in the bottom half of the top 100 prospects or just outside the top 100 prospects. Some combination of 3-4 players mentioned above should be able to acquire 2 of those types of pitchers. Just because they are ML ready, does not mean they have to start in the MLs immediately in 2026. Assuming they cannot trade Gray, I would assume the starting rotation next year will be
1. Gray
2. Liberatore
3. McGreevy
4. One of pitchers traded for
5. Pallante (I hate to give him a spot after this year, but he will have it until someone passes him up, which could happen quickly.)
As bad as this rotation sounds and may be, if 1 or both pitchers traded for turn out to be at least as good as McGreevy and if Doyle and or Mathews become ready in 2026, the staff could turn out pretty decent and be in good shape going into 2027.
The team has been quite clear they want to accumulate talent. Talent as in multiple guys so the success is not pinned on any one guy.
The only guys I would not trade outside of the pitchers we need are Winn, Wetherholdt and Josh Baez. I am also close to putting Herrera in that bucket. Despite his defensive short comings, he appears to be the one young hitter who is closest to being one of the MOTOBs we need. Since they are so difficult to develop, trading one seems to be not a good idea.
