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Does Boston have star players? This is the roster he built for them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:27 amOh H E L L NO!Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:56 am Bloom is a younger version of Mo. I have zero belief he does anything more than improve the farm. That’s a small part of competing in n today’s game. It’s about gettting talent 3 ways draft trade AND FA.
No comp whatsoever between the two men.
Give em' time:Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:57 amDoes Boston have star players? This is the roster he built for them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:27 amOh H E L L NO!Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:56 am Bloom is a younger version of Mo. I have zero belief he does anything more than improve the farm. That’s a small part of competing in n today’s game. It’s about gettting talent 3 ways draft trade AND FA.
No comp whatsoever between the two men.
Ok so these players were acquired by him 4-6 years ago and how long until they are stars? 2 more years? Are you ready for a 6-8 year rebuild waiting for stars? Until he makes trades to aquire a star he will operate as Mo has for last decade of except 2 gifts that won’t happen again. Not sold on Bloom being a Jockety type. Might be better in charge of farm draft and develop than GM. He tore down the rosters on the only 2 GM roles he had and this season Boston is all he has to show for it.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:05 pmGive em' time:Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:57 amDoes Boston have star players? This is the roster he built for them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:27 amOh H E L L NO!Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:56 am Bloom is a younger version of Mo. I have zero belief he does anything more than improve the farm. That’s a small part of competing in n today’s game. It’s about gettting talent 3 ways draft trade AND FA.
No comp whatsoever between the two men.
Anthony
.858 OPS
Abreu
.811 OPS
Duran
.778 OPS
Bello
2.99 ERA
+
#11 rated farm system
You (falsely claimed before he even took office) that he was a "younger version of Mo" w/o any facts to back it up since the man hasn't even taken control yet.
What have you got against a man who hasn't even taken taken over yet?Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:11 pmOk so these players were acquired by him 4-6 years ago and how long until they are stars? 2 more years? Are you ready for a 6-8 year rebuild waiting for stars? Until he makes trades to aquire a star he will operate as Mo has for last decade of except 2 gifts that won’t happen again. Not sold on Bloom being a Jockety type. Might be better in charge of farm draft and develop than GM. He tore down the rosters on the only 2 GM roles he had and this season Boston is all he has to show for it.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:05 pmGive em' time:Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:57 amDoes Boston have star players? This is the roster he built for them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:27 amOh H E L L NO!Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:56 am Bloom is a younger version of Mo. I have zero belief he does anything more than improve the farm. That’s a small part of competing in n today’s game. It’s about gettting talent 3 ways draft trade AND FA.
No comp whatsoever between the two men.
Anthony
.858 OPS
Abreu
.811 OPS
Duran
.778 OPS
Bello
2.99 ERA
+
#11 rated farm system
You (falsely claimed before he even took office) that he was a "younger version of Mo" w/o any facts to back it up since the man hasn't even taken control yet.
Just 4?????Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:00 amThis is a mediocre team at best. At least 4 players away from being a legit WS contender. The Dodgers are just trotting out their B pitchers until the post season. Rotating them on IL to keepStrummer Jones wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:57 amI'm not anti-wild card. I like the excitement of it. Unless you're the third wild-card, chances are you're a good team that got buried behind a team that's just a world-beater. What I DON'T like is the third "we're clearly the sixth best team and we're in the race by the grace of the seventh and eighth best teams being unable to get out of their own way" wild cards.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:23 am 1. A legit WS team. Not WC. (Top 11 in payroll like 06-11)
2. Future HOF superstars in their prime
3. A MVP caliber player
4. A Cy young caliber SP
The Cardinals need to address the holes at the top 4 spots on the roster. 2 MOTO bas and 1-2 TOR SP. this team is stacked with 1-2 tool role players that will fit perfectly around the stars. Waiting to add them will draft out the rebuild and loose more fans. Bloom need to make everyone except Wetherholt and Doyle available along with the $100m ownership took off the books to add difference makers. Players fans want to buy jerseys of. Until then attendance will continue to drop. Am thinking 10-15k per game next season. Under 20k now and they raised prices.
I don't disagree with the ethos of "just get in and see what happens" but I do ABHOR the plan to "just get in and see what happens" when it's used as a way to skimp on important parts of the team. So what does that mean? It means you've got to have at least one, preferably two bats in the line-up that are all-star caliber. It means having an ace that you can count on to win a game, at least two other pitchers you can count on to keep things close. It means having a pretty stout bullpen, and a decent bench.
We have...maybe...one of those things.
Pitch counts low.
You can get into the Labor Day game for $20 on StubHub. The Cardinals sent an email out offering 30% off next homestand. How much cheaper does it need to be?3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:39 amSo clearly that wouldn't work on you, but you're in a pretty privileged position to have free tickets for any game. It'd work on thousands of other fans.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:57 amI have had free tickets available all season and won’t go because there is none I want to see on the roster. Might go to 1 game next year for Wetherholt3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:42 am There's two aspects to selling tickets:
1) An entertaining product
2) Fanbase can afford it
You and most of the discourse on this have focused on #1. If FO is not gonna have #1 they could easily address #2 by lowering prices, offering specials, etc.
Dozens of minor league teams around the country sell a ton of tickets without any of those 4 things you listed. It's because it's a cheap and fun way to spend an afternoon or evening.
Imagine if the Cards came out tomorrow and said, "Y'know what, we recognize we haven't provided a great product for our fans the last few years. To make up for it we're going to lower prices 30% for next year." They'd not only sell more tickets for next year, they'd create a lot of good will that might even spill over to the rest of this year.
I'll watch HOF level stars at any point in their career. Pujols, Wainwright, Yadi have my everlasting respect. Also Goldy and Nado. Though now we are down to 0 of those on our active roster.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:23 am 1. A legit WS team. Not WC. (Top 11 in payroll like 06-11)
2. Future HOF superstars in their prime
3. A MVP caliber player
4. A Cy young caliber SP
The Cardinals need to address the holes at the top 4 spots on the roster. 2 MOTO bas and 1-2 TOR SP. this team is stacked with 1-2 tool role players that will fit perfectly around the stars. Waiting to add them will draft out the rebuild and loose more fans. Bloom need to make everyone except Wetherholt and Doyle available along with the $100m ownership took off the books to add difference makers. Players fans want to buy jerseys of. Until then attendance will continue to drop. Am thinking 10-15k per game next season. Under 20k now and they raised prices.
You think the increase will happen overnight? Fans are done with the team this year, they can at best hope to get them back next year.desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:05 pmYou can get into the Labor Day game for $20 on StubHub. The Cardinals sent an email out offering 30% off next homestand. How much cheaper does it need to be?3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:39 amSo clearly that wouldn't work on you, but you're in a pretty privileged position to have free tickets for any game. It'd work on thousands of other fans.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:57 amI have had free tickets available all season and won’t go because there is none I want to see on the roster. Might go to 1 game next year for Wetherholt3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:42 am There's two aspects to selling tickets:
1) An entertaining product
2) Fanbase can afford it
You and most of the discourse on this have focused on #1. If FO is not gonna have #1 they could easily address #2 by lowering prices, offering specials, etc.
Dozens of minor league teams around the country sell a ton of tickets without any of those 4 things you listed. It's because it's a cheap and fun way to spend an afternoon or evening.
Imagine if the Cards came out tomorrow and said, "Y'know what, we recognize we haven't provided a great product for our fans the last few years. To make up for it we're going to lower prices 30% for next year." They'd not only sell more tickets for next year, they'd create a lot of good will that might even spill over to the rest of this year.
you sure it's not just the DH ?Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:23 am 1. A legit WS team. Not WC. (Top 11 in payroll like 06-11)
2. Future HOF superstars in their prime
3. A MVP caliber player
4. A Cy young caliber SP
The Cardinals need to address the holes at the top 4 spots on the roster. 2 MOTO bas and 1-2 TOR SP. this team is stacked with 1-2 tool role players that will fit perfectly around the stars. Waiting to add them will draft out the rebuild and loose more fans. Bloom need to make everyone except Wetherholt and Doyle available along with the $100m ownership took off the books to add difference makers. Players fans want to buy jerseys of. Until then attendance will continue to drop. Am thinking 10-15k per game next season. Under 20k now and they raised prices.
Fair. But I don't think ticket prices are really the problem, especially when compared to other markets. Has it always been cheap to see them play the Cubs on a Friday night? Nope. But they've always had ticket deals midweek, Phillips 66 promotions, etc. I think they're pretty reasonable.3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:31 pmYou think the increase will happen overnight? Fans are done with the team this year, they can at best hope to get them back next year.desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:05 pmYou can get into the Labor Day game for $20 on StubHub. The Cardinals sent an email out offering 30% off next homestand. How much cheaper does it need to be?3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:39 amSo clearly that wouldn't work on you, but you're in a pretty privileged position to have free tickets for any game. It'd work on thousands of other fans.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:57 amI have had free tickets available all season and won’t go because there is none I want to see on the roster. Might go to 1 game next year for Wetherholt3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:42 am There's two aspects to selling tickets:
1) An entertaining product
2) Fanbase can afford it
You and most of the discourse on this have focused on #1. If FO is not gonna have #1 they could easily address #2 by lowering prices, offering specials, etc.
Dozens of minor league teams around the country sell a ton of tickets without any of those 4 things you listed. It's because it's a cheap and fun way to spend an afternoon or evening.
Imagine if the Cards came out tomorrow and said, "Y'know what, we recognize we haven't provided a great product for our fans the last few years. To make up for it we're going to lower prices 30% for next year." They'd not only sell more tickets for next year, they'd create a lot of good will that might even spill over to the rest of this year.
They've been reasonable for decent, competitive teams that are interesting to watch. My point is that once that baseline shatters, you may need to consider other alternatives.desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:47 pmFair. But I don't think ticket prices are really the problem, especially when compared to other markets. Has it always been cheap to see them play the Cubs on a Friday night? Nope. But they've always had ticket deals midweek, Phillips 66 promotions, etc. I think they're pretty reasonable.3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:31 pmYou think the increase will happen overnight? Fans are done with the team this year, they can at best hope to get them back next year.desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:05 pmYou can get into the Labor Day game for $20 on StubHub. The Cardinals sent an email out offering 30% off next homestand. How much cheaper does it need to be?3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:39 amSo clearly that wouldn't work on you, but you're in a pretty privileged position to have free tickets for any game. It'd work on thousands of other fans.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:57 amI have had free tickets available all season and won’t go because there is none I want to see on the roster. Might go to 1 game next year for Wetherholt3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:42 am There's two aspects to selling tickets:
1) An entertaining product
2) Fanbase can afford it
You and most of the discourse on this have focused on #1. If FO is not gonna have #1 they could easily address #2 by lowering prices, offering specials, etc.
Dozens of minor league teams around the country sell a ton of tickets without any of those 4 things you listed. It's because it's a cheap and fun way to spend an afternoon or evening.
Imagine if the Cards came out tomorrow and said, "Y'know what, we recognize we haven't provided a great product for our fans the last few years. To make up for it we're going to lower prices 30% for next year." They'd not only sell more tickets for next year, they'd create a lot of good will that might even spill over to the rest of this year.
And this is different how? I our owner is demanding the same thing. I think he was targeted for being able to do that.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:41 pmWhat have you got against a man who hasn't even taken taken over yet?Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:11 pmOk so these players were acquired by him 4-6 years ago and how long until they are stars? 2 more years? Are you ready for a 6-8 year rebuild waiting for stars? Until he makes trades to aquire a star he will operate as Mo has for last decade of except 2 gifts that won’t happen again. Not sold on Bloom being a Jockety type. Might be better in charge of farm draft and develop than GM. He tore down the rosters on the only 2 GM roles he had and this season Boston is all he has to show for it.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:05 pmGive em' time:Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:57 amDoes Boston have star players? This is the roster he built for them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:27 amOh H E L L NO!Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:56 am Bloom is a younger version of Mo. I have zero belief he does anything more than improve the farm. That’s a small part of competing in n today’s game. It’s about gettting talent 3 ways draft trade AND FA.
No comp whatsoever between the two men.
Anthony
.858 OPS
Abreu
.811 OPS
Duran
.778 OPS
Bello
2.99 ERA
+
#11 rated farm system
You (falsely claimed before he even took office) that he was a "younger version of Mo" w/o any facts to back it up since the man hasn't even taken control yet.
And you can't simply extrapolate the Red Sox where ownership immediately upon his hire decided to slash payroll, decline to allow him to retain M. Betts and basically tied his hands.
And he didn't "tear down" two rosters.
C'mon Youbought, you're a smart guy.
Nado is on the roster. I disagree. To help this team they need to be in their primeCarp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:10 pmI'll watch HOF level stars at any point in their career. Pujols, Wainwright, Yadi have my everlasting respect. Also Goldy and Nado. Though now we are down to 0 of those on our active roster.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:23 am 1. A legit WS team. Not WC. (Top 11 in payroll like 06-11)
2. Future HOF superstars in their prime
3. A MVP caliber player
4. A Cy young caliber SP
The Cardinals need to address the holes at the top 4 spots on the roster. 2 MOTO bas and 1-2 TOR SP. this team is stacked with 1-2 tool role players that will fit perfectly around the stars. Waiting to add them will draft out the rebuild and loose more fans. Bloom need to make everyone except Wetherholt and Doyle available along with the $100m ownership took off the books to add difference makers. Players fans want to buy jerseys of. Until then attendance will continue to drop. Am thinking 10-15k per game next season. Under 20k now and they raised prices.
Yes. I believe that with Wetherholt and Doyle will. Add enough to the topJatalk wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:44 pmJust 4?????Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:00 amThis is a mediocre team at best. At least 4 players away from being a legit WS contender. The Dodgers are just trotting out their B pitchers until the post season. Rotating them on IL to keepStrummer Jones wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:57 amI'm not anti-wild card. I like the excitement of it. Unless you're the third wild-card, chances are you're a good team that got buried behind a team that's just a world-beater. What I DON'T like is the third "we're clearly the sixth best team and we're in the race by the grace of the seventh and eighth best teams being unable to get out of their own way" wild cards.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:23 am 1. A legit WS team. Not WC. (Top 11 in payroll like 06-11)
2. Future HOF superstars in their prime
3. A MVP caliber player
4. A Cy young caliber SP
The Cardinals need to address the holes at the top 4 spots on the roster. 2 MOTO bas and 1-2 TOR SP. this team is stacked with 1-2 tool role players that will fit perfectly around the stars. Waiting to add them will draft out the rebuild and loose more fans. Bloom need to make everyone except Wetherholt and Doyle available along with the $100m ownership took off the books to add difference makers. Players fans want to buy jerseys of. Until then attendance will continue to drop. Am thinking 10-15k per game next season. Under 20k now and they raised prices.
I don't disagree with the ethos of "just get in and see what happens" but I do ABHOR the plan to "just get in and see what happens" when it's used as a way to skimp on important parts of the team. So what does that mean? It means you've got to have at least one, preferably two bats in the line-up that are all-star caliber. It means having an ace that you can count on to win a game, at least two other pitchers you can count on to keep things close. It means having a pretty stout bullpen, and a decent bench.
We have...maybe...one of those things.
Pitch counts low.
That may be true. I have no idea if people aren’t coming this year because the tickets are too expensive, but I doubt it. A bad value? No argument. Adding 10-15% to the price of season ticket renewals is the most insane business decision on the planet.3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 14:06 pmThey've been reasonable for decent, competitive teams that are interesting to watch. My point is that once that baseline shatters, you may need to consider other alternatives.desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:47 pmFair. But I don't think ticket prices are really the problem, especially when compared to other markets. Has it always been cheap to see them play the Cubs on a Friday night? Nope. But they've always had ticket deals midweek, Phillips 66 promotions, etc. I think they're pretty reasonable.3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:31 pmYou think the increase will happen overnight? Fans are done with the team this year, they can at best hope to get them back next year.desertrat23 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:05 pmYou can get into the Labor Day game for $20 on StubHub. The Cardinals sent an email out offering 30% off next homestand. How much cheaper does it need to be?3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 11:39 amSo clearly that wouldn't work on you, but you're in a pretty privileged position to have free tickets for any game. It'd work on thousands of other fans.Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:57 amI have had free tickets available all season and won’t go because there is none I want to see on the roster. Might go to 1 game next year for Wetherholt3dender wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 10:42 am There's two aspects to selling tickets:
1) An entertaining product
2) Fanbase can afford it
You and most of the discourse on this have focused on #1. If FO is not gonna have #1 they could easily address #2 by lowering prices, offering specials, etc.
Dozens of minor league teams around the country sell a ton of tickets without any of those 4 things you listed. It's because it's a cheap and fun way to spend an afternoon or evening.
Imagine if the Cards came out tomorrow and said, "Y'know what, we recognize we haven't provided a great product for our fans the last few years. To make up for it we're going to lower prices 30% for next year." They'd not only sell more tickets for next year, they'd create a lot of good will that might even spill over to the rest of this year.