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moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Very, very small tiny baby steps

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:44 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Very, very small tiny baby steps

Hard to think about baby steps from a man wearing a size 15 shoe.

By all accounts, Brant Brown has put a lot of time in Jordan Walker. Do you think he has helped him?

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:48 pm By all accounts, Brant Brown has put a lot of time in Jordan Walker. Do you think he has helped him?

Not much but Walker may be one of the most overrated prospects of all time. Who knows?

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:42 pm

45s wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:23 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Those players may be performing at their max level already…

Valid point and I’m in no position to evaluate that. Just saying overall have not seen breakout improvement.

Agree with that…

and I am not defending the coach at all…..

But sometimes, a .240 hitter is just a .240 hitter

That would be up to the new manager. If the manager is told who his staff is going to be, then we have not moved forward from the MO years. Micro-managing from the front office needs to stop.

Hire the manager and allow him to select/hire his staff. If he fails, fire him. If you employ multiple managers who fail, then you get fired.

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Does it?

2025 Chase: 32.9%
2024 Chase: 32.4%

2025 Whiff: 35.1%
2024 Whiff: 31.6%

2025 K: 31.6%
2024 K: 28.6%

You can check these numbers you know before guessing (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb)

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

I'd include, Burleson, VS2 and Walker too. The issue with 3 of the 4 is that they may be showing progress
or signs of improvement and still be a long way from where they need to be.

Burleson is getting close to where he could be a good LF/RF option, a little more SLG. 25+ HRs.
The arm is good, he's become competent in the OF.

It's pretty simple.

When Oli is let go after this year (and he will), the new coach will be able to bring in his own guys or choose to keep who is on staff. Most managers have a hitting coach they want new as it aligns with his philosophy on hitting.

3dender wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:17 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Does it?

2025 Chase: 32.9%
2024 Chase: 32.4%

2025 Whiff: 35.1%
2024 Whiff: 31.6%

2025 K: 31.6%
2024 K: 28.6%

You can check these numbers you know before guessing (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb)

I actually watch the games thx... and the low outside slider appears to be chased less than it had been

3dender wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:17 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Does it?

2025 Chase: 32.9%
2024 Chase: 32.4%

2025 Whiff: 35.1%
2024 Whiff: 31.6%

2025 K: 31.6%
2024 K: 28.6%

You can check these numbers you know before guessing (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb)

To my eye he is a little better at not swinging at the outside breaking stuff. He is also real good at taking strikes down the middle.

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:34 pm

3dender wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:17 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Does it?

2025 Chase: 32.9%
2024 Chase: 32.4%

2025 Whiff: 35.1%
2024 Whiff: 31.6%

2025 K: 31.6%
2024 K: 28.6%

You can check these numbers you know before guessing (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb)

To my eye he is a little better at not swinging at the outside breaking stuff. He is also real good at taking strikes down the middle.

He's a little better but it's inconsistent, and it could very well be that he's laying off more of them in total, but the same or less as a percentage because they're throwing it to him so much more.

E.g. there was an AB in the last few games that the pitcher threw him 3 or 4 sliders in a row with two strikes, and he let the first ones go and then swung at the last one.

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:33 pm

3dender wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:17 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Does it?

2025 Chase: 32.9%
2024 Chase: 32.4%

2025 Whiff: 35.1%
2024 Whiff: 31.6%

2025 K: 31.6%
2024 K: 28.6%

You can check these numbers you know before guessing (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb)

I actually watch the games thx... and the low outside slider appears to be chased less than it had been

The change that you might be seeing is since July 18th. That will have limited affect on STAT's.
He was basically the same as it ever was before then.
I think he is chasing the absurd off the plate less. The ones over in the other batters box.
He MIGHT be in a better spot, needs confidence in the changes which takes both time and production.
Needs more balance and improved recognition. He's got a way to go.

renostl wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 14:11 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:33 pm

3dender wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:17 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Does it?

2025 Chase: 32.9%
2024 Chase: 32.4%

2025 Whiff: 35.1%
2024 Whiff: 31.6%

2025 K: 31.6%
2024 K: 28.6%

You can check these numbers you know before guessing (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb)

I actually watch the games thx... and the low outside slider appears to be chased less than it had been

The change that you might be seeing is since July 18th. That will have limited affect on STAT's.
He was basically the same as it ever was before then.
I think he is chasing the absurd off the plate less. The ones over in the other batters box.
He MIGHT be in a better spot, needs confidence in the changes which takes both time and production.
Needs more balance and improved recognition. He's got a way to go.

definitely needs better recognition .. and a better idea going into the batters box would be nice as well

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 14:39 pm

renostl wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 14:11 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:33 pm

3dender wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 13:17 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:29 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:17 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

What players have made a significant improvement in hitting over last year? How many and who?

Gorman is better than he was a year ago.

and Walkers chase rate has to be better than it was.. baby steps

Does it?

2025 Chase: 32.9%
2024 Chase: 32.4%

2025 Whiff: 35.1%
2024 Whiff: 31.6%

2025 K: 31.6%
2024 K: 28.6%

You can check these numbers you know before guessing (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb)

I actually watch the games thx... and the low outside slider appears to be chased less than it had been

The change that you might be seeing is since July 18th. That will have limited affect on STAT's.
He was basically the same as it ever was before then.
I think he is chasing the absurd off the plate less. The ones over in the other batters box.
He MIGHT be in a better spot, needs confidence in the changes which takes both time and production.
Needs more balance and improved recognition. He's got a way to go.

definitely needs better recognition .. and a better idea going into the batters box would be nice as well

You know, that's the part I don't understand. I know that it is SOOO hard to hit at the major league level, so the physical part I understand. I get maybe lunging, missing, or being late- but the being lost I don't understand. If you've heard Walker speak, he is very smart, he cares, and by all accounts he puts the work in. All that being true, it just seems like he would be further along with pitch recognition and a plan. He may have a plan, but he often looks lost.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:47 am Is Brant Brown worth keeping even if Oli goes?

Nope. The manager and the entire coaching staff need to go.