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Maybe some people rode the wave like that, but not this guy. I have been consistent in my opinions about Oli for a long time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 09:00 am It’s funny how people when the cardinals went 19-8 in may were saying oli is going to win manager of the year the team loves to play for him plays hard for him the team is great it’s going to win 90-94 games then they go 8-16 in July and now it’s the team sucks it’s not olis fault. Oli gets credit when they are winning and none of the blame when they are losing
Hot and run? Have you seen the terrible offense? LoL. Poor bully? Been one of the highlights of the team. Even after putting it at the trade deadline.RamFan08NY wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 07:45 am Imo, poor bullpen decisions, no imagination with offensive strategies. Would like to see more hit and run. My biggest issue with him is that he comes off as the arrogant smartest man in the room guy, and the team plays with very little spark.
While true, he doesn't have the highest talent level, at some point you need to make a change to find that spark. I think Yadi would add imagination, intensity, and spark to the flat-line atmosphere.
According to the menstrual bright geniuses, a terrible pitching, hitting and running team shouldCCard wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 07:48 amYeah, I can't say why Gray was skipped, but absent all the machinations in the clubhouse, I can't render judgement on that. Who knows what that decision was about? Maybe Gray was sickly. Not making excuses, just trying to be fair. I really don't know about his minor league pedigree, but a manager doesn't have experience until he does. They all have to start sometime, even Whitey and Tlr. I'm just not sure what any manager could do with a team that doesn't hit great and pitches even worse.Jatalk wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 07:40 amI’m not really baseball savvy enough to give you many specifics. I have not really been a fan of his but honestly if the team sort of stays 500 you have to say he has not done that terrible and I’m ok if he gets another year but in a short leash.CCard wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 07:32 am All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.
Specifically I have questioned how he stages his rotation. A few series back Gray did not pitch against Cubs for example.
Secondly the team plays to the level of its competition. Too many bad series against Colorado for example.
Early on I hated the way he threw WC under the bus but that is now water under the bridge.
I’m not a fan of a manager having no managerial experience.
But give him credit. He has a poorly constructed team to manage that is not supported by a vibrant minor league system.
Don't know how you can say it any better than that.Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 08:12 am Terrible leadership, situational awareness, and presence. I have elaborated plenty on these things in the past and honestly don't have the inclination to get back into it.
I was always told that when you walk into a room, you should know who the manager/leader is by their dress, demeanor, and appearance. How they interact and how they carry themselves. Oli does not elevate himself naturally. His elevation is forced, which makes him come across as prickly, insecure, and egotistical.
Well, from memory, people were more like, "OMG, wouldn't it be crazy if Oli won MOTY? Some CTers would go nuts." As opposed to CTers buying into Oli being good.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 09:00 am It’s funny how people when the cardinals went 19-8 in may were saying oli is going to win manager of the year the team loves to play for him plays hard for him the team is great it’s going to win 90-94 games then they go 8-16 in July and now it’s the team sucks it’s not olis fault. Oli gets credit when they are winning and none of the blame when they are losing
Basically this. Manager sets tone for team. Do they move runners and go opposite field to do so? Are they always swinging for fences or watching strike three instead of guarding the dish with two strikes. Do they play sound fundamental baseball in all situations...? Again, managers set the tone and personality of a team. Marmol doesn't.... He should have been gone a long time ago.ilcubuffs wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 09:39 am "What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area."
Fellow posters have covered the deficiency Marmot the Pretend MLB Manager exhibits. I would add to see his deficiency in action watch a Brewer game and then watch a Cardinal game. Brewers down by +3 runs late in a game and you know they will make a run to either close the deficit or win. Cardinals down by 2 runs in 3 rd and the team and YOU know they will lose.
Cardinal & Brewer rosters are not really so dissimilar. Not overly talented. But Brewer players know their fundamentals - bunting, base running, throw to the right base, et al. Cardinal players can't bunt, never heard of hit and run, et al. It is supposed to start with manager. Compare Pat Murphy to Marmot and you see WHY Marmot is a pretender.
Would Jay or Descalso been as incompetent manager as Marmot? Seriously doubt it. Marmot is just, yet, another misjudge of talent by MO RAN.
so truerockondlouie wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 08:58 am -Terrible in game Manager, gets out maneuvered by other teams Manager
-Shows no creativity helping his offensively challenged team score runs
-Poor lineup construction
-Plays favorites (re: Burleson, Siani, Pages) too much
-Froze in the most important game of his career, Game 1 vs Phillies
- #1 Reason:
Has Mo's STANK all over him! Returning him is nothing more than a continuation of the slide this team has taken under his leadership
The one thing he's finally doing well is running the bullpen.
Other than that he's been over-his-head from the day he was hired and has shown very little GROWTH.
Bringing him back would be a huge marketing mistake, Oli back will NOT sell tickets.
C. Bloom deserves to bring in his Manager w/an almost all new coaching staff (I may keep J. Jay/D. Descalso if I was Bloom).
This has to be a 100% fresh start or BDWJr has failed again.
JMO
Rock has it covered! Oli is the living manifestation of all that is wrong with Cardinal Baseball. He is lazy, arrogant and stubborn. Bloom will surely bring in an outside voice to run this team on the field. No more incestuous promotions. Air this place out. I am expecting a league-wide job search for Oli's replacement.rockondlouie wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 08:58 am -Terrible in game Manager, gets out maneuvered by other teams Manager
-Shows no creativity helping his offensively challenged team score runs
-Poor lineup construction
-Plays favorites (re: Burleson, Siani, Pages) too much
-Froze in the most important game of his career, Game 1 vs Phillies
- #1 Reason:
Has Mo's STANK all over him! Returning him is nothing more than a continuation of the slide this team has taken under his leadership
The one thing he's finally doing well is running the bullpen.
Other than that he's been over-his-head from the day he was hired and has shown very little GROWTH.
Bringing him back would be a huge marketing mistake, Oli back will NOT sell tickets.
C. Bloom deserves to bring in his Manager w/an almost all new coaching staff (I may keep J. Jay/D. Descalso if I was Bloom).
This has to be a 100% fresh start or BDWJr has failed again.
JMO
Not dissimilar? LOL They are top five in most pitching categories while the Cards are in the 20's in most pitching categories. They aren't similar at all in the pitching department. As for hitting? Well, it wasn't that long ago that the Cards were actually out homering them. They do have quite and edge on the Cards in run scoring and while some of it can be explained by batted ball luck and competition, the Cards have been dismal in that dept for years now. When you only aim for the fences you're susceptible to all the off speed pitches and the umpires ball and strike whims. Add in the difference in ballparks and voila! By comparing the Brewers to the Cards you do a disservice to Marmol and yourself. LOL...You can't even type his name without insulting him. The talent gap isn't on him. It's on Dewitt and Mo. Mostly Dewitt.ilcubuffs wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 09:39 am "What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area."
Fellow posters have covered the deficiency Marmot the Pretend MLB Manager exhibits. I would add to see his deficiency in action watch a Brewer game and then watch a Cardinal game. Brewers down by +3 runs late in a game and you know they will make a run to either close the deficit or win. Cardinals down by 2 runs in 3 rd and the team and YOU know they will lose.
Cardinal & Brewer rosters are not really so dissimilar. Not overly talented. But Brewer players know their fundamentals - bunting, base running, throw to the right base, et al. Cardinal players can't bunt, never heard of hit and run, et al. It is supposed to start with manager. Compare Pat Murphy to Marmot and you see WHY Marmot is a pretender.
Would Jay or Descalso been as incompetent manager as Marmot? Seriously doubt it. Marmot is just, yet, another misjudge of talent by MO RAN.
LOL...Dewitt and company will go cheap. They always do.BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 11:22 amRock has it covered! Oli is the living manifestation of all that is wrong with Cardinal Baseball. He is lazy, arrogant and stubborn. Bloom will surely bring in an outside voice to run this team on the field. No more incestuous promotions. Air this place out. I am expecting a league-wide job search for Oli's replacement.rockondlouie wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 08:58 am -Terrible in game Manager, gets out maneuvered by other teams Manager
-Shows no creativity helping his offensively challenged team score runs
-Poor lineup construction
-Plays favorites (re: Burleson, Siani, Pages) too much
-Froze in the most important game of his career, Game 1 vs Phillies
- #1 Reason:
Has Mo's STANK all over him! Returning him is nothing more than a continuation of the slide this team has taken under his leadership
The one thing he's finally doing well is running the bullpen.
Other than that he's been over-his-head from the day he was hired and has shown very little GROWTH.
Bringing him back would be a huge marketing mistake, Oli back will NOT sell tickets.
C. Bloom deserves to bring in his Manager w/an almost all new coaching staff (I may keep J. Jay/D. Descalso if I was Bloom).
This has to be a 100% fresh start or BDWJr has failed again.
JMO