Question about Oli

[CCard]

All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.

[scoutyjones2]

Oh boy...

[sikeston bulldog2]

All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.

Nice thought. He’s gotten better. Still makes brain fart in game Decision usually hitter related.

One a disaster year, one a successful year, one a .500 year. A non star riddled team.

I’d say he is as good as 20 other teams. And I don’t think Roberts is better.

[12xu]

All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.

I do not like his avoidance of strategies such as the hit and run, the safety squeeze, and general non aggressiveness on the basepaths. I not do not like his handling of the pitching staff - leaving pitchers in when it is obvious they are ineffective.

[Jatalk]

All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.

I’m not really baseball savvy enough to give you many specifics. I have not really been a fan of his but honestly if the team sort of stays 500 you have to say he has not done that terrible and I’m ok if he gets another year but in a short leash.

Specifically I have questioned how he stages his rotation. A few series back Gray did not pitch against Cubs for example.

Secondly the team plays to the level of its competition. Too many bad series against Colorado for example.

Early on I hated the way he threw WC under the bus but that is now water under the bridge.


I’m not a fan of a manager having no managerial experience.

But give him credit. He has a poorly constructed team to manage that is not supported by a vibrant minor league system.

[RamFan08NY]

Imo, poor bullpen decisions, no imagination with offensive strategies. Would like to see more hit and run. My biggest issue with him is that he comes off as the arrogant smartest man in the room guy, and the team plays with very little spark.

While true, he doesn't have the highest talent level, at some point you need to make a change to find that spark. I think Yadi would add imagination, intensity, and spark to the flat-line atmosphere.

[CCard]

All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.

I’m not really baseball savvy enough to give you many specifics. I have not really been a fan of his but honestly if the team sort of stays 500 you have to say he has not done that terrible and I’m ok if he gets another year but in a short leash.

Specifically I have questioned how he stages his rotation. A few series back Gray did not pitch against Cubs for example.

Secondly the team plays to the level of its competition. Too many bad series against Colorado for example.

Early on I hated the way he threw WC under the bus but that is now water under the bridge.


I’m not a fan of a manager having no managerial experience.

But give him credit. He has a poorly constructed team to manage that is not supported by a vibrant minor league system.

Yeah, I can't say why Gray was skipped, but absent all the machinations in the clubhouse, I can't render judgement on that. Who knows what that decision was about? Maybe Gray was sickly. Not making excuses, just trying to be fair. I really don't know about his minor league pedigree, but a manager doesn't have experience until he does. They all have to start sometime, even Whitey and Tlr. I'm just not sure what any manager could do with a team that doesn't hit great and pitches even worse.

[Melville]

There is alt that we could go into, but my time is limited until this evening.
Let me make just a few points and perhaps others can expound further.
One, the only job of every leader is to make others better, to cause their development and then success.
The Marmot had failed about as badly at that as I have ever seen.
Two, good leaders make tough decisions.
The Marmot avoids them.
Three, good leaders shoulder the responsibility for failing to meet goals and does not place the blame on others.
The Marmot does the opposite.
Four, good leaders while trusting data and known knowns as a foundation, are also open to change, flexibility and creativity.
The Marmot is instead simplistic, overly cautious, and paint by numbers - others may trust him to read the existing manual but he will never contribute to writing a new one.
More than reason enough to fire him.

[CCard]

All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.

I do not like his avoidance of strategies such as the hit and run, the safety squeeze, and general non aggressiveness on the basepaths. I not do not like his handling of the pitching staff - leaving pitchers in when it is obvious they are ineffective.

Makes sense. Devils advocate here, it's hard to hit in run when you can't get on base. I wouldn't mind seeing the squeeze more often but really there's the same problem, you have to get to 3rd base with less than 2 outs. As for pitching, well, he doesn't decide the roster. Mikolas was resigned by Mo and Dewitt. He could move him to the bullpen I guess, but it would have to be with the consent of Mo and Dewitt. They decide who plays, not Marmol.

[ramfandan]

Been of the position that new GM picks who he wants to guide the team forward. If Bloom wants to give Oli 2026 on his contract to see if he deserves to be his guy long term, then I won’t grouse.
If Oli is kept because DeWitts are telling Bloom to give him one more year , then that is troublesome.
If Bloom feels Oli is not the guy for long term now, then no point in giving him 2026 season. Cut ties now and move on.

[CCard]

All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.

Nice thought. He’s gotten better. Still makes brain fart in game Decision usually hitter related.

One a disaster year, one a successful year, one a .500 year. A non star riddled team.

I’d say he is as good as 20 other teams. And I don’t think Roberts is better.

Indeed you are correct sir. Every time a manager makes a decision there are wolves ready to pounce on them. Whitey had some terrible years but he's considered a genius. And he was, up to a point. But still he made decisions that backfired. I don't really see a huge advantage with a manager. I think most GM's decide who plays and who doesn't as per MO's own words. I do have one minor disagreement with managing and it was like that with all the managers I've seen. They are adamant about a guy getting a "day off" even if he's on a hot streak and I've always disagreed with that approach. I say ride them until they fall if they're hot. They can rest when they can't go anymore. But I realize that I am not and never will be a manager. LOL

[sikeston bulldog2]

All of you who are in the "Fire Marmol" crowd, what has he done or not done that causes you to beat that drum on here constantly. He doesn't decide the talent on the field. You really can't blame him when Gorman strikes out 3 times or when Arenado fails in a big situation. He's supposed to put players in a position to succeed, but you have to have to players with talent to do that. Same with the pitching. He has to decide who takes the hill but he can't throw the pitches. What exactly to you see as a deficit in the managing area. No platitudes and in all seriousness, please inform me.

Nice thought. He’s gotten better. Still makes brain fart in game Decision usually hitter related.

One a disaster year, one a successful year, one a .500 year. A non star riddled team.

I’d say he is as good as 20 other teams. And I don’t think Roberts is better.

Indeed you are correct sir. Every time a manager makes a decision there are wolves ready to pounce on them. Whitey had some terrible years but he's considered a genius. And he was, up to a point. But still he made decisions that backfired. I don't really see a huge advantage with a manager. I think most GM's decide who plays and who doesn't as per MO's own words. I do have one minor disagreement with managing and it was like that with all the managers I've seen. They are adamant about a guy getting a "day off" even if he's on a hot streak and I've always disagreed with that approach. I say ride them until they fall if they're hot. They can rest when they can't go anymore. But I realize that I am not and never will be a manager. LOL

Rule 101 in managing. Ride the hot horse till he drops. Nothing kills mental focus like inactivity or change of scenery. Being benched is a change of scenery.

[Basil Shabazz]

Terrible leadership, situational awareness, and presence. I have elaborated plenty on these things in the past and honestly don't have the inclination to get back into it.

I was always told that when you walk into a room, you should know who the manager/leader is by their dress, demeanor, and appearance. How they interact and how they carry themselves. Oli does not elevate himself naturally. His elevation is forced, which makes him come across as prickly, insecure, and egotistical.

[cardfan$4041956]

His use of the pitching staff starters and bullpen
Not letting starters in past 5 innings
His and Dusty's insistence on set days bullpen can pitch
Also a hitter who is hot then sits next day

Arrogance in the press conferences when is is questioned about moves he made















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[Banner29]

His use of the pitching staff starters and bullpen
Not letting starters in past 5 innings
His and Dusty's insistence on set days bullpen can pitch
Also a hitter who is hot then sits next day

Arrogance in the press conferences when is is questioned about moves he made





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Yeah the press conferences are really exhausting. He never holds his players, his coaches, or himself accountable for anything. I don’t expect him to come out an completely trash the team. But simple “we weren’t good enough” “we need to be better” “we didn’t come out ready to play” instead of “we may have lost 12-0 with 1 hit but we took some good swings they just didn’t turn out our way”

Craig Bernie was perhaps as a master at it, as he could interview after a bad game and somehow manage to say “we sucked tonight” “I still love my guys” “we’re going to fix this” “we’ll be ready next game” all without actually saying it

[rockondlouie]

-Terrible in game Manager, gets out maneuvered by other teams Manager

-Shows no creativity helping his offensively challenged team score runs

-Poor lineup construction

-Plays favorites (re: Burleson, Siani, Pages) too much

-Froze in the most important game of his career, Game 1 vs Phillies

- #1 Reason:
Has Mo's STANK all over him! Returning him is nothing more than a continuation of the slide this team has taken under his leadership


The one thing he's finally doing well is running the bullpen.

Other than that he's been over-his-head from the day he was hired and has shown very little GROWTH.

Bringing him back would be a huge marketing mistake, Oli back will NOT sell tickets.

C. Bloom deserves to bring in his Manager w/an almost all new coaching staff (I may keep J. Jay/D. Descalso if I was Bloom).

This has to be a 100% fresh start or BDWJr has failed again.

JMO