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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:55 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:53 am LoL. We know who he is defensively. Bad...

He’s not bad. He’s awful.

I was trying to be kind

So another runway season next season to see what the cards have in Gorman and Walker? lol awesome

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:16 am So another runway season next season to see what the cards have in Gorman and Walker? lol awesome

Walker has a four game hitting streak- yippee. But close to .400-.500 average. Still struck out on the low pitch away.

I think Walker hits. Gorman can hit, but defense is atrocious. Got to be a DH. First might be too much for him.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:22 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:16 am So another runway season next season to see what the cards have in Gorman and Walker? lol awesome

Walker has a four game hitting streak- yippee. But close to .400-.500 average. Still struck out on the low pitch away.

I think Walker hits. Gorman can hit, but defense is atrocious. Got to be a DH. First might be too much for him.

How many DH type players do the Cardinals have?

2ninr wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:13 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:48 am

southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

Small sample size

It's crazy guy's who have watched enough ball still judge a guy by what he's done for a week after not playing that position since 2019.

gibberish

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:24 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:22 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:16 am So another runway season next season to see what the cards have in Gorman and Walker? lol awesome

Walker has a four game hitting streak- yippee. But close to .400-.500 average. Still struck out on the low pitch away.

I think Walker hits. Gorman can hit, but defense is atrocious. Got to be a DH. First might be too much for him.

How many DH type players do the Cardinals have?

No kidding and next season when Gorman again has an OPS of .720 people will say but he needs another runway season to see what the cards have in him in 2027

2ninr wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:06 am

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:48 am

southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

he is a cardinal so by definition he is awful here..if he was on another team he would be a youngster with immense power potential who very recently hit 27 homers

Melville wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:35 am

2ninr wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:06 am

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:48 am

southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

Even you don’t believe your write. I can tell. It doesn’t contain your normal zeal and zest.

He stinks on fielding. First or DH.

Melville wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:35 am

2ninr wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:06 am

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:48 am

southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

Are you referring to the Unicorn at second base?

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Melville wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:35 am

2ninr wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:06 am

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:48 am

southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

Even you don’t believe your write. I can tell. It doesn’t contain your normal zeal and zest.

He stinks on fielding. First or DH.

Exactly. Gorman is one of those guys who, if he hits, you live with his D. He is not in the lineup for his D. He has very little mobility, average at best. His arm is decent. He is what he is on D. Sorry, but I have watched him play enough in the field to see who he is. As was said above, this team has a collection of 1B/DH types. Something has to give. Let's see what Bloom does when MO is gone. Gorman will not "be fine" at third base. He will barely be adequate. Sure, he will make some great play now and then, but he will also miss a lot of plays that really good third basemen make. Same at 2B. Lack of range. That is the cost of his bat in the lineup if he is not DH. I hate the DH and always will. Cheapens the game. Rant over. Get off my lawn!

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:48 am

southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

Very small sample size for a guy who hasn't played the position in over 3 years. Give it some time and evaluate it after he's had a pretty good run at 3B. If you are using Nado as a barometer, then you will never like his defense. Similarly, we shouldn't judge all of our catchers' defense based upon our memories of Yadi behind the plate.

Again

Patience w/Gorman's defense is key.

It's very tough (unless you're a gifted SUP ala B. Donovan) to move from one side of the diamond to the other.

The ball just comes off the bat differently and the throws (from 2nd v from 3rd) coming at differing angles is wild.

He has to be given time to get his 3rd base bearings back.

Did anyone really think he wasn't going to struggle early on?

Judging him on 162 innings (basically 18 games) is really unfair.

Oh

And it doesn't do him any favor following one of the best defensive 3rd baseman of all time who's great defense is so fresh in fan's minds.

JMO

Melville wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:35 am

2ninr wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:06 am

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:48 am

southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

No he hasn't. He's too clunky, chunky and not athletic to make the plays at 3b. And he doesn't hit enough either.

Add the chronic back issues and it's laughable to believe he will last at 3b.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Melville wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:35 am

2ninr wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:06 am

OldRed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:48 am

southernblues wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 06:43 am I hope Bloom doesn't trade Gorman in the off season but trades Arenado so he can play third everyday. I guarantee if you trade him he will hit thirty homers for another team. The kid come through last night with a key hit for the lead.

He's not a good 3rd baseman defensively.

No doubt he's rusty at best. But give him the rest of the year there. EVERYDAY OLI. Than see where he's at. Adjust accordingly.

When playing 2b, he had the best and most accurate arm as compared to others including Donovan.
The same will be true at 3B.
Rusty?
You are correct.
That will get cleaned up and he will be just fine at 3b.
He has made a couple of outstanding plays that do not get mentioned.

Even you don’t believe your write. I can tell. It doesn’t contain your normal zeal and zest.

He stinks on fielding. First or DH.

Gorman made himself into a solid 2b.
Range was not great, but his hands were good, his footwork was excellent, and his arm was well above average.
The same will unquestionably be true at 3b, given the opportunity.
He is the only true LH power bat on the organization and his 25+ HR power is a huge asset - and that is as true as ever, regardless of whether positioned at 2b or 3b.
Nothing has changed in my fully accurate analysis.
By the way, if Bloom were to shop him this coming off-season, his value would be higher than that of any other LH hitting Cardinal on the active roster - including Donovan, Mootbaar, Burleson, and Scott.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:50 am Again

Patience w/Gorman's defense is key.

It's very tough (unless you're a gifted SUP ala B. Donovan) to move from one side of the diamond to the other.

The ball just comes off the bat differently and the throws (from 2nd v from 3rd) coming at differing angles is wild.

He has to be given time to get his 3rd base bearings back.

Did anyone really think he wasn't going to struggle early on?

Judging him on 162 innings (basically 18 games) is really unfair.

Oh

And it doesn't do him any favor following one of the best defensive 3rd baseman of all time who's great defense is so fresh in fan's minds.

JMO

This is why we don’t excel- give mediocre more time. How much time is needed. And the errors I’ve seen are simple plays.

We have much better option with JJ at third, Donovan at second, Gorman first or DH.