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ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:47 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

Agree ! This 'accept a trade or be benched in 2026 as pinch hitter ' has never made sense to me. I think those that want to use a punitive tactic like that do not see the potential pitfalls down the road. I feel that the negative publicity league w would create would steer any free agents away from wanting to play for the Cardinals. Secondly , for the FO to threaten playing time for any player flies in the face of the concept ' the manager determines who is in the lineup ' each game. So if the FO not determining to our manager (whether Oli or someone else that Arenado would be strictly a bench bat ). If Oli is dismissed, what manager in his right mind would take the Cardinal job with that directive. Nobody worth their salt. Only a puppet would do that .
We want future top players WANT to play for the Cardinals not be leary of coming here .
I just feel some are being short-sighted on how this negatively could impact our organization for the future.
I believe Bloom, Arenado , and his agent will resolve this situation. Nado and his agent will expand his list in the offseason and Bloom will 'eat a lot more of the remaining salary than Mo was willing to do ' . Those two things will get another team to bite on Arenado.

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:04 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:47 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

Agree ! This 'accept a trade or be benched in 2026 as pinch hitter ' has never made sense to me. I think those that want to use a punitive tactic like that do not see the potential pitfalls down the road. I feel that the negative publicity league w would create would steer any free agents away from wanting to play for the Cardinals. Secondly , for the FO to threaten playing time for any player flies in the face of the concept ' the manager determines who is in the lineup ' each game. So if the FO not determining to our manager (whether Oli or someone else that Arenado would be strictly a bench bat ). If Oli is dismissed, what manager in his right mind would take the Cardinal job with that directive. Nobody worth their salt. Only a puppet would do that .
We want future top players WANT to play for the Cardinals not be leary of coming here .
I just feel some are being short-sighted on how this negatively could impact our organization for the future.
I believe Bloom, Arenado , and his agent will resolve this situation. Nado and his agent will expand his list in the offseason and Bloom will 'eat a lot more of the remaining salary than Mo was willing to do ' . Those two things will get another team to bite on Arenado.

The Cardinals are the 4th most attractive team in their own division - FA would much rather player in CHI, MIL or even CIN

The Cardinals have meddled in middle with FA, because the top guys don’t want to come here and BDW won’t pay for the top guys

They have signed (bleep) mid-level FA and been burned.

This whole PR, FA excuse shows how out of touch some fans are. Stop living in yesteryear

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:43 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

I don't even think it has to do with what other players think. It's just a level of professionalism that I hope they will hold themselves to. Arenado's welcome has worn out simply because of his level of play has dropped off considerably, and he's owned that.

He hasn't had any negative issues off the field, he hasn't had any reported issues in the clubhouse. One can bring up his leadership, but the Cardinals knew what they were getting when they traded for him.

In other words, he has comported himself as a good member of the organization. So, there is no reason to take any sort of negative tone on his way out.

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:18 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:43 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

I don't even think it has to do with what other players think. It's just a level of professionalism that I hope they will hold themselves to. Arenado's welcome has worn out simply because of his level of play has dropped off considerably, and he's owned that.

He hasn't had any negative issues off the field, he hasn't had any reported issues in the clubhouse. One can bring up his leadership, but the Cardinals knew what they were getting when they traded for him.

In other words, he has comported himself as a good member of the organization. So, there is no reason to take any sort of negative tone on his way out.

One on one and professional.
Keep the press out of it.

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:40 pm He won't sit, he will somehow find a team, he is not a HOF right now and he needs 2 more years of counting numbers.

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:24 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:18 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:43 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

I don't even think it has to do with what other players think. It's just a level of professionalism that I hope they will hold themselves to. Arenado's welcome has worn out simply because of his level of play has dropped off considerably, and he's owned that.

He hasn't had any negative issues off the field, he hasn't had any reported issues in the clubhouse. One can bring up his leadership, but the Cardinals knew what they were getting when they traded for him.

In other words, he has comported himself as a good member of the organization. So, there is no reason to take any sort of negative tone on his way out.

One on one and professional.
Keep the press out of it.

It's just a good way to do business. There is absolutely no reason to be play tough guy and burn a bridge. It just doesn't serve any purpose other than feeding the sharks.

If Arenado were to start trashing the organization, then I could understand taking a harder stance, although I'd still rather they take the professional high-road.

ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:47 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

Agree ! This 'accept a trade or be benched in 2026 as pinch hitter ' has never made sense to me. I think those that want to use a punitive tactic like that do not see the potential pitfalls down the road. I feel that the negative publicity league w would create would steer any free agents away from wanting to play for the Cardinals. Secondly , for the FO to threaten playing time for any player flies in the face of the concept ' the manager determines who is in the lineup ' each game. So if the FO not determining to our manager (whether Oli or someone else that Arenado would be strictly a bench bat ). If Oli is dismissed, what manager in his right mind would take the Cardinal job with that directive. Nobody worth their salt. Only a puppet would do that .
We want future top players WANT to play for the Cardinals not be leary of coming here .
I just feel some are being short-sighted on how this negatively could impact our organization for the future.
I believe Bloom, Arenado , and his agent will resolve this situation. Nado and his agent will expand his list in the offseason and Bloom will 'eat a lot more of the remaining salary than Mo was willing to do ' . Those two things will get another team to bite on Arenado.

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:07 pm Here's what you do.

Chaim Bloom first day as POBO

Nolan, you are not playing here anymore, you can either be traded or sit the bench. Arenado would immediately contact his agent and say get me the heck out of here, his list of tradeable teams would expand over the winter. You will have to eat some salary, but it's a sunk cost anyway.

Who disagrees with this concept?

Yeah, it's hardball, but it's the best way out.

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:04 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:47 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

Agree ! This 'accept a trade or be benched in 2026 as pinch hitter ' has never made sense to me. I think those that want to use a punitive tactic like that do not see the potential pitfalls down the road. I feel that the negative publicity league w would create would steer any free agents away from wanting to play for the Cardinals. Secondly , for the FO to threaten playing time for any player flies in the face of the concept ' the manager determines who is in the lineup ' each game. So if the FO not determining to our manager (whether Oli or someone else that Arenado would be strictly a bench bat ). If Oli is dismissed, what manager in his right mind would take the Cardinal job with that directive. Nobody worth their salt. Only a puppet would do that .
We want future top players WANT to play for the Cardinals not be leary of coming here .
I just feel some are being short-sighted on how this negatively could impact our organization for the future.
I believe Bloom, Arenado , and his agent will resolve this situation. Nado and his agent will expand his list in the offseason and Bloom will 'eat a lot more of the remaining salary than Mo was willing to do ' . Those two things will get another team to bite on Arenado.

The Cardinals are the 4th most attractive team in their own division - FA would much rather player in CHI, MIL or even CIN

The Cardinals have meddled in middle with FA, because the top guys don’t want to come here and BDW won’t pay for the top guys

They have signed (bleep) mid-level FA and been burned.

This whole PR, FA excuse shows how out of touch some fans are. Stop living in yesteryear

You are half right. BDW won't pay for the top guys. That's why high-end FAs don't come here. If the Cardinals offered the top free agents the top offers, they would come here more often than not.

45s wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 19:40 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:04 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:47 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

Agree ! This 'accept a trade or be benched in 2026 as pinch hitter ' has never made sense to me. I think those that want to use a punitive tactic like that do not see the potential pitfalls down the road. I feel that the negative publicity league w would create would steer any free agents away from wanting to play for the Cardinals. Secondly , for the FO to threaten playing time for any player flies in the face of the concept ' the manager determines who is in the lineup ' each game. So if the FO not determining to our manager (whether Oli or someone else that Arenado would be strictly a bench bat ). If Oli is dismissed, what manager in his right mind would take the Cardinal job with that directive. Nobody worth their salt. Only a puppet would do that .
We want future top players WANT to play for the Cardinals not be leary of coming here .
I just feel some are being short-sighted on how this negatively could impact our organization for the future.
I believe Bloom, Arenado , and his agent will resolve this situation. Nado and his agent will expand his list in the offseason and Bloom will 'eat a lot more of the remaining salary than Mo was willing to do ' . Those two things will get another team to bite on Arenado.

The Cardinals are the 4th most attractive team in their own division - FA would much rather player in CHI, MIL or even CIN

The Cardinals have meddled in middle with FA, because the top guys don’t want to come here and BDW won’t pay for the top guys

They have signed (bleep) mid-level FA and been burned.

This whole PR, FA excuse shows how out of touch some fans are. Stop living in yesteryear

You are half right. BDW won't pay for the top guys. That's why high-end FAs don't come here. If the Cardinals offered the top free agents the top offers, they would come here more often than not.

Unrealistic…..the cards don’t have the resources to offer the top players the top offers..

You really think the cards can beat 765 mil for Soto?

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 19:52 pm

45s wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 19:40 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 15:04 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:47 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:16 pm While I think the conversation will happen in a more professional, diplomatic way, it will happen.

His list could could\will also change based on who he sees as a contender for the next two seasons as well as who can guarantee him playing time.

More likely.
If Arenado finishes the season weakly and has lingering health issues it only makes sense to move on.
Having said that.....your mention of “professional/diplomatic” rings true. Players talk and the last thing the Cards need is bad PR in regard to the FO which could impact future negotiations with players.

Agree ! This 'accept a trade or be benched in 2026 as pinch hitter ' has never made sense to me. I think those that want to use a punitive tactic like that do not see the potential pitfalls down the road. I feel that the negative publicity league w would create would steer any free agents away from wanting to play for the Cardinals. Secondly , for the FO to threaten playing time for any player flies in the face of the concept ' the manager determines who is in the lineup ' each game. So if the FO not determining to our manager (whether Oli or someone else that Arenado would be strictly a bench bat ). If Oli is dismissed, what manager in his right mind would take the Cardinal job with that directive. Nobody worth their salt. Only a puppet would do that .
We want future top players WANT to play for the Cardinals not be leary of coming here .
I just feel some are being short-sighted on how this negatively could impact our organization for the future.
I believe Bloom, Arenado , and his agent will resolve this situation. Nado and his agent will expand his list in the offseason and Bloom will 'eat a lot more of the remaining salary than Mo was willing to do ' . Those two things will get another team to bite on Arenado.

The Cardinals are the 4th most attractive team in their own division - FA would much rather player in CHI, MIL or even CIN

The Cardinals have meddled in middle with FA, because the top guys don’t want to come here and BDW won’t pay for the top guys

They have signed (bleep) mid-level FA and been burned.

This whole PR, FA excuse shows how out of touch some fans are. Stop living in yesteryear

You are half right. BDW won't pay for the top guys. That's why high-end FAs don't come here. If the Cardinals offered the top free agents the top offers, they would come here more often than not.

Unrealistic…..the cards don’t have the resources to offer the top players the top offers..

You really think the cards can beat 765 mil for Soto?

Where did I say anything of the sort? I said "If the Cardinals offered the top free agents the top offers, they would come here more often than not."

Nowhere did I say the Cardinals could or would make the top offer for a top FA.

I was disputing that FAs would rather play in CHI, MIL or CIN. My point being, location\team preference may be a tie breaker if no real difference between contract offers, but the majority of FAs will, more often than not, take the top offer, regardless of where it is.