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ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 06:46 am

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 05:36 am The only difference in these two players is one is lh one is rh. And Herrera is a couple ticks better. I like them both if there's other guys around to drive them in. Neither are mob at this point in their career.

Herrera has a higher OPS now than AB will ever have.

He's better than Burleson - I said that.

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 05:36 am The only difference in these two players is one is lh one is rh. And Herrera is a couple ticks better. I like them both if there's other guys around to drive them in. Neither are mob at this point in their career.

Herrera hits second I don’t know why people always point out he’s not a middle of the order bat when he bats second but for a team with no middle of the order bats he could certainly do it he’s hitting .392 .476 1.104 with RISP and .297 .376 .861 with runners on I would take that from a middle of the order bat any day and while he doesn’t hit a lot of home runs which Mel loves to point out he has more home runs than the unikkorn

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:29 pm

Shady wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:20 pm Points of emphasis. Like to see from Melville on these two observations.

Do you like any player who is actually any good? You must be an underdog story yourself…or a starving for attention goof.

The word is troll

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 07:15 am

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 05:36 am The only difference in these two players is one is lh one is rh. And Herrera is a couple ticks better. I like them both if there's other guys around to drive them in. Neither are mob at this point in their career.

Herrera hits second I don’t know why people always point out he’s not a middle of the order bat when he bats second but for a team with no middle of the order bats he could certainly do it he’s hitting .392 .476 1.104 with RISP and .297 .376 .861 with runners on I would take that from a middle of the order bat

You are right in the sense that we tend to define certain type hitters with certain places in the batting order. I always looked at 3 -4-5 as the middle of the order. And we've seen teams moving power guys up into the 1 and 2 holes. In the past we saw those 3-5 guys having more home run potential. But however you want to look at it, right now neither of these guys are that on a good team. They both have potential to be that in the near future.

Not sure about Herrera being overrated but we have several that over-ate-it.

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 07:08 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 06:46 am

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 05:36 am The only difference in these two players is one is lh one is rh. And Herrera is a couple ticks better. I like them both if there's other guys around to drive them in. Neither are mob at this point in their career.

Herrera has a higher OPS now than AB will ever have.

He's better than Burleson - I said that.

Sorry, I should've said: By a lot.

Herrera is more than a 'few ticks' better.

And any player just coming back from da nagging injury, has something to do with it

"overrated"

Hererra career:
.298 .375 .438 .813
128 OPS+
3 bWAR

Bumbles career:
.263 .315 .417 .732
103 OPS+
1.8 bWAR

Hererra is clearly the superior hitter while Bumbles is a platoon player who struggles vs LHP (career: .220 .254 .309 .563).

No comparison

GuitarManBluesFan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:36 pm It does look like MLB pitchers might be catching up to him. He doesn’t seem to be as effective as he was earlier this season. Just a casual observation, didn’t go dig through a bunch of stats or anything, so maybe I’m wrong…

I'll do it for you GMBF

Last 50 PA
.339 .428 .519 .947

Pitchers aren't catching up to him, he's still a stud hitter.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:57 am

GuitarManBluesFan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:36 pm It does look like MLB pitchers might be catching up to him. He doesn’t seem to be as effective as he was earlier this season. Just a casual observation, didn’t go dig through a bunch of stats or anything, so maybe I’m wrong…

I'll do it for you GMBF

Last 50 PA
.339 .428 .519 .947

Pitchers aren't catching up to him, he's still a stud hitter.

IH had a little cold streak and has heated up again. He and Donovan are the best bats on the team along with WC. Bumbles has enough ABs in the bigs that we can see who he is. A serviceable platoon player who is best suited to DH and 1B. Ride him when he is on a hot streak and put him back in the part time role when he cools off. Not that hard to see. IH plays every day somewhere....

Cards should always be seeking starters that can be +3.0 bWAR type position players. This year, Winn, Donovan and VS2 have a chance to be that or at least close.
Next year it'd be possible to add Wetherholt and Herrera to that list, and maybe Contreras.
IF the Cards could have 6 position players at that level, or at least close, the Cards have a decent chance to be a good team IF you add 1 good SP and form a decent BP.
Cards aren't that far away imo regardless of the current negativity.

Herrera looked like a man amongst boys when I saw him at AAA a few weeks ago. His bat has nice pop

But I always read on here that he sucks, so maybe a bit underrated at this point

JDW wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:35 am Cards should always be seeking starters that can be +3.0 bWAR type position players. This year, Winn, Donovan and VS2 have a chance to be that or at least close.
Next year it'd be possible to add Wetherholt and Herrera to that list, and maybe Contreras.
IF the Cards could have 6 position players at that level, or at least close, the Cards have a decent chance to be a good team IF you add 1 good SP and form a decent BP.
Cards aren't that far away imo regardless of the current negativity.

I agree, and Burley just isn't that guy because he cannot play great D. His only chance would be if he became a decent fielder at 1B, but even then, his bat is decent, but not great. VSII plays great D and his bat can be carried in CF IF and only IF the lineup is decent. I expect the change that Bloom will bring is a retool of the roster. At some point the redundancies have to be addressed and areas of strength in the minors need to be traded from to fill holes. That will not be easy of course, but there needs to be a plan rather than the endless drifting under the MO regime...

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:42 pm This team doesn’t have any hitter that should be hitting in the middle of the order for a playoff contender. Not Burleson or Herrera - none of them.

What about Contreras, our star?

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 10:01 am

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:42 pm This team doesn’t have any hitter that should be hitting in the middle of the order for a playoff contender. Not Burleson or Herrera - none of them.

What about Contreras, our star?

Not sure you didn't need the blue font..... If WC were your catcher and batting 6 or 7 he would be a great bat. As your first baseman in the 3 or 4 spot he is a bit weak for a top shelf lineup. But you knew that....

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 07:53 am

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 07:08 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 06:46 am

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 05:36 am The only difference in these two players is one is lh one is rh. And Herrera is a couple ticks better. I like them both if there's other guys around to drive them in. Neither are mob at this point in their career.

Herrera has a higher OPS now than AB will ever have.

He's better than Burleson - I said that.

Sorry, I should've said: By a lot.

Herrera is more than a 'few ticks' better.

I guess the biggest difference in these two players is I wouldn't trade Herrera.