Team needs for 2026

[bfib]

40 players with MLB quality skills. Marmot no where near Cardinal organization.

Why? Has he had that before? Maybe 2022...

40 B-C grade players. They are missing the A+ players to build around like a 35/100 hitter or a 18 game winner. When they get those players the rest will fall into place. How do they get them? SPEND THE $100m they cut from payroll after this season.

But who?

[Youboughtit]

40 players with MLB quality skills. Marmot no where near Cardinal organization.

Why? Has he had that before? Maybe 2022...

40 B-C grade players. They are missing the A+ players to build around like a 35/100 hitter or a 18 game winner. When they get those players the rest will fall into place. How do they get them? SPEND THE $100m they cut from payroll after this season.

But who?

I trust Bloom to find a SP and bat to target but will Dewitt spend it? That’s the question.

[ICCFIM2]

Looking at possible trade returns and the roster for next year if Arenado Contreras and Gray use NTC

13 position players
Contreras
Burleson
Wetherholt
Donovan
Winn
Arenado
Nootbar
Scott
Walker
Gorman
Pages
Pozo
Hererra

Segesse in AAA

Rotation

Gray
McGreevy
Pallante
Libertore
?

BP not included

My point is there are too many bats and the need for SP is huge. Any trade using Helsley or a couple of players from above needs to return a SP preferably a young power arm in AAA. The match is clear. The Dodgers have 2 or 3 of them.


Follow up question. This team needs a regular lineup. Who is on the bench and do they belong there? For example a bench of Pozo Nootbar Gorman Burleson is wasting good young trade pieces

Arenado is probably gone.

Then Segesse fills that hole. I am still pessimistic he accepts a trade anywhere but the Dodgers and now it will require the Cardinals to pay half his salary and no player in return or an outright DFA to get rid of him. He will have to be Fedde bad for that to happen

First time I have ever heard Cranny say Arenado is gone. If that comes true in the next couple of days, Cranny is Dewitt and he is just having fun on here yanking our chains...

[JuanAgosto]

The players listed in the OP cannot all return. If they do, then this 'reset' is the most dysfunctional process in sports history.

At least 1 of Gorman, Burleson, Nootbaar have to be moved. Donovan is probably traded.

A SP has to be signed or traded for.
A legitimate bat has to be obtained.
At least one reliever needs to be acquired.

With those moves, the Cardinals will be competitive.

[Youboughtit]

The players listed in the OP cannot all return. If they do, then this 'reset' is the most dysfunctional process in sports history.

At least 1 of Gorman, Burleson, Nootbaar have to be moved. Donovan is probably traded.

A SP has to be signed or traded for.
A legitimate bat has to be obtained.
At least one reliever needs to be acquired.

With those moves, the Cardinals will be competitive.

To be competitive those peices must be a 35/100 bat, a 18 game winner and a dominant closer and setup guy. But they will have Arenado Nootbar Gorman Donovan Helsley Burleson all to trade and $100m in payroll to do it.

[alw80]

The players listed in the OP cannot all return. If they do, then this 'reset' is the most dysfunctional process in sports history.

At least 1 of Gorman, Burleson, Nootbaar have to be moved. Donovan is probably traded.

A SP has to be signed or traded for.
A legitimate bat has to be obtained.
At least one reliever needs to be acquired.

With those moves, the Cardinals will be competitive.

To be competitive those peices must be a 35/100 bat, a 18 game winner and a dominant closer and setup guy. But they will have Arenado Nootbar Gorman Donovan Helsley Burleson all to trade and $100m in payroll to do it.

They're not going to be competitive next year, at least not anymore competitive than they are this year. I don't expect much effort until after the lockout when they know what the new salary cap situation looks like.

[2ninr]

The players listed in the OP cannot all return. If they do, then this 'reset' is the most dysfunctional process in sports history.

At least 1 of Gorman, Burleson, Nootbaar have to be moved. Donovan is probably traded.

A SP has to be signed or traded for.
A legitimate bat has to be obtained.
At least one reliever needs to be acquired.

With those moves, the Cardinals will be competitive.

To be competitive those peices must be a 35/100 bat, a 18 game winner and a dominant closer and setup guy. But they will have Arenado Nootbar Gorman Donovan Helsley Burleson all to trade and $100m in payroll to do it.

They're not going to be competitive next year, at least not anymore competitive than they are this year. I don't expect much effort until after the lockout when they know what the new salary cap situation looks like.

People just don't want to accept that. I'm not projecting anything at this point. But Bloom is bright enough to understand the frustration in Cardinals Nation. A big part of that is the lack of transparency from the current regime. I expect him to reveal his short term and long term vision for building a functional roster and how he intends to do that. I assume a big part of that will be feeding the ML team with talent developed internally. I expect him to reveal how he intends to stock that system. I think we will get part of that answer with the impending trade deadline. I would be shocked if anything orher than the expiring contracts are moved. I will do a little dance if Arenado changes teams

[sikeston bulldog2]

Looking at possible trade returns and the roster for next year if Arenado Contreras and Gray use NTC

13 position players
Contreras
Burleson
Wetherholt
Donovan
Winn
Arenado
Nootbar
Scott
Walker
Gorman
Pages
Pozo
Hererra

Segesse in AAA

Rotation

Gray
McGreevy
Pallante
Libertore
?

BP not included

My point is there are too many bats and the need for SP is huge. Any trade using Helsley or a couple of players from above needs to return a SP preferably a young power arm in AAA. The match is clear. The Dodgers have 2 or 3 of them.


Follow up question. This team needs a regular lineup. Who is on the bench and do they belong there? For example a bench of Pozo Nootbar Gorman Burleson is wasting good young trade pieces

JJ to third is our biggest need. The second coming of Brett. That would give us an infield of Willy Donovan Winn JJ- best in defense- best in hitting, in MLB

Burleson Scott Walker.

Need a staff Ace.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

They'll be cutting payroll this offseaosn.

Makes sense to balance to the attendance / projected ticket sales?

[rockondlouie]

Short list Top 3:

-RHH'er for the OF to go along w/I. Hererra and VSII

-#2 quality starting pitcher

-Closer (I'd have converted T. Hence by now, prepping him for a shot at the role next spring)

[alw80]

They'll be cutting payroll this offseaosn.

Makes sense to balance to the attendance / projected ticket sales?

May as well fold up shop because the ticket sales aren't going to get better.

[Bomber1]

The players listed in the OP cannot all return. If they do, then this 'reset' is the most dysfunctional process in sports history.

At least 1 of Gorman, Burleson, Nootbaar have to be moved. Donovan is probably traded.

A SP has to be signed or traded for.
A legitimate bat has to be obtained.
At least one reliever needs to be acquired.

With those moves, the Cardinals will be competitive.

To be competitive those peices must be a 35/100 bat, a 18 game winner and a dominant closer and setup guy. But they will have Arenado Nootbar Gorman Donovan Helsley Burleson all to trade and $100m in payroll to do it.

They're not going to be competitive next year, at least not anymore competitive than they are this year. I don't expect much effort until after the lockout when they know what the new salary cap situation looks like.

Agree.

[Hofikebrucee]

Looking at possible trade returns and the roster for next year if Arenado Contreras and Gray use NTC

13 position players
Contreras
Burleson
Wetherholt
Donovan
Winn
Arenado
Nootbar
Scott
Walker
Gorman
Pages
Pozo
Hererra

Segesse in AAA

Rotation

Gray
McGreevy
Pallante
Libertore
?

BP not included

My point is there are too many bats and the need for SP is huge. Any trade using Helsley or a couple of players from above needs to return a SP preferably a young power arm in AAA. The match is clear. The Dodgers have 2 or 3 of them.


Follow up question. This team needs a regular lineup. Who is on the bench and do they belong there? For example a bench of Pozo Nootbar Gorman Burleson is wasting good young trade pieces

What good young trade pieces?

Gorman Walker Nootbar Burleson all would have market to a small market team because of cost control and upside. Go get a AA or AAA SP prospect in return to fill the void. Hitter for pitcher. A baseball trade

Small market teams that need players with upside and cost control - you mean the cards don’t fit that mold?

[Mort Gage]

The players listed in the OP cannot all return. If they do, then this 'reset' is the most dysfunctional process in sports history.

At least 1 of Gorman, Burleson, Nootbaar have to be moved. Donovan is probably traded.

A SP has to be signed or traded for.
A legitimate bat has to be obtained.
At least one reliever needs to be acquired.

With those moves, the Cardinals will be competitive.

To be competitive those peices must be a 35/100 bat, a 18 game winner and a dominant closer and setup guy. But they will have Arenado Nootbar Gorman Donovan Helsley Burleson all to trade and $100m in payroll to do it.

They're not going to be competitive next year, at least not anymore competitive than they are this year. I don't expect much effort until after the lockout when they know what the new salary cap situation looks like.

I agree. And I couldn't imagine the DeWitts shelling out for big contracts after a season of lower revenue through TV, the turnstiles, and BPV. The FA signings will likely be a Maton type of contract and maybe a modest one year deal for an innings eater.

[3dender]

Trading Arenado would be great but it's not like he's going to return anything of value, so it's only relevant in terms of roster construction.

They need to trade at least two of Donovan/Gorman/Burleson/Nootbaar/Pozo/Crooks for a TOR pitcher/prospect that will be available no later than 2027. That should be the primary goal of the offseason and if it's all they accomplish it'll be a success.

[JuanAgosto]

The players listed in the OP cannot all return. If they do, then this 'reset' is the most dysfunctional process in sports history.

At least 1 of Gorman, Burleson, Nootbaar have to be moved. Donovan is probably traded.

A SP has to be signed or traded for.
A legitimate bat has to be obtained.
At least one reliever needs to be acquired.

With those moves, the Cardinals will be competitive.

To be competitive those peices must be a 35/100 bat, a 18 game winner and a dominant closer and setup guy. But they will have Arenado Nootbar Gorman Donovan Helsley Burleson all to trade and $100m in payroll to do it.

I think they could do it. But will they?