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Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:23 pm
by rockondlouie
I hope Mo isn't thinking he's going to get a MLB Top 100 prospect for Helsley because he's not.
Best bet is he gets one of a teams Top 10.
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:29 pm
by An Old Friend
I don't know why people here are so enamored or obsessed with Spencer Jones.
Jones isn't the top rated Yankees prospect. MLB has him #4
Keith Law doesn't have Jones in his top 60
He's not in Fangraphs updated top 100
The Cardinals should be able to get 1 prospect in the top 50-100 for Helsley along with 2 lower level guys. I'd want one of Mick Abel (ideally) or Aidan Miller from the Phillies.
I don't think they will be trading Donovan now, but he'd likely garner two top 100 type of players (with at least one in the top 50).
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:31 pm
by 82birds
82birds wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:10 pm
currently I'm watcing the Orioles/Blue Jays.
14-3 Orioles in the 7th.
each reliever Blue Jays bring in gives up at least one homer.
looks like blue jays could use bullpen help
what's with a DAY game on a TUESDAY?
it's not getaway day
strange
btw, glad Cards have an off day Thursday.
no Thursday day game to prevent me from watching deadline coverage for hours on end starting at noon CT on MLBTR
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:32 pm
by Futuregm2
82birds wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:31 pm
82birds wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:10 pm
currently I'm watcing the Orioles/Blue Jays.
14-3 Orioles in the 7th.
each reliever Blue Jays bring in gives up at least one homer.
looks like blue jays could use bullpen help
what's with a DAY game on a TUESDAY?
it's not getaway day
strange
Double header. I believe it is a makeup from earlier this season.
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:34 pm
by 82birds
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:32 pm
82birds wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:31 pm
82birds wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:10 pm
currently I'm watcing the Orioles/Blue Jays.
14-3 Orioles in the 7th.
each reliever Blue Jays bring in gives up at least one homer.
looks like blue jays could use bullpen help
what's with a DAY game on a TUESDAY?
it's not getaway day
strange
Double header. I believe it is a makeup from earlier this season.
thx
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:37 pm
by An Old Friend
rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:23 pm
I hope Mo isn't thinking he's going to get a MLB Top 100 prospect for Helsley because he's not.
Best bet is he gets one of a teams Top 10.
1. I'm still not convinced Mo deals him until I see it.
2. You shouldn't bet - the return will assuredly be higher than what you're suggesting. (not surprising coming from a guy who characterizes Juan Soto as "injury prone")
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:39 pm
by ForumPolice
Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Doesn't he always?
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:44 pm
by 82birds
ForumPolice wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:39 pm
Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Doesn't he always?
that's what I said a while back in this thread.
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 14:57 pm
by Jobu's Rum
82birds wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:18 pm
"is MO having a tough time finding quality trade returns?"
when has he not had a tough time?
Yeah he struggles with just one trade partner. Moving just Helsley is not enough.
There are at least 7-8 guys that need to be on the market
Hels (2nd best piece behind Donnie)
Maton
Matz
Gray
Nado
Willy C
Donovan (Our best piece could net 2 top shelf prospects, not like this team is winning anything big this year)
Noot (I know he's on IL, teams have moved injured players before)
Burly
I know some have NTCs, but those can be bought off easy. Quit doing bare minimum Moe you clown!
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
by Alex Reyes Cy Young
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:15 pm
Mo has leverage. Hopefully he uses it with some measure of competence.
Big if
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:17 pm
by 82birds
MO surely gets "bad press" on CT.
guess what, MO?
YOU EARNED IT
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:22 pm
by kyace
Twins are reportedly asking for two top 100 prospects for their closer who does have a couple of more years of control.
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:27 pm
by rightthinker4
ramfandan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:11 pm
Cardly wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 13:56 pm
His best chips are Helsley but Yankees won't trade their star minor leaguer - Spencer Jones
Donovan is a solid chip but the Dodgers won't trade their stud catching prospect.
Arenado is more of a dump to the Astros or Cubs without a stud prospect in return.
If YOU were the Yankees ,would you trade your star minor leaguer (that you have 6 controllable years for MLB) for a 2 month rental reliever.
Once the season ends , Helsley is free to sign with anyone and could leave the Yankees.
Think of it from a Cardinal perspective , let's say the Cardinals were in position like the Yankees and they had Helsley , if you were the Cardinals GM would YOU trade JJ Wetherholt for their Helsley for a 2 month rental . No way Jose ! Right ?
Though Arenado playing value isn't high , a team wanting Nado would at leas have him under contract for not only these two months but for both 2026 & 2027 . He is not a 2 month rental .
Arenado isn’t a rental, but he’s extremely expensive unless the Cardinals eat a lot of 2026 2027 money.
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:28 pm
by Shady
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:57 pm
82birds wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:18 pm
"is MO having a tough time finding quality trade returns?"
when has he not had a tough time?
Yeah he struggles with just one trade partner. Moving just Helsley is not enough.
There are at least 7-8 guys that need to be on the market
Hels (2nd best piece behind Donnie)
Maton
Matz
Gray
Nado
Willy C
Donovan (Our best piece could net 2 top shelf prospects, not like this team is winning anything big this year)
Noot (I know he's on IL, teams have moved injured players before)
Burly
I know some have NTCs, but those can be bought off easy. Quit doing bare minimum Moe you clown!
I'm not sure the Cardinals have any interest in trading Burleson at this time. But if they did I could see a team giving a nice return for him considering his salary/years of control situation.
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:54 pm
by 45s
ramfandan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:11 pm
Cardly wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 13:56 pm
His best chips are Helsley but Yankees won't trade their star minor leaguer - Spencer Jones
Donovan is a solid chip but the Dodgers won't trade their stud catching prospect.
Arenado is more of a dump to the Astros or Cubs without a stud prospect in return.
If YOU were the Yankees ,would you trade your star minor leaguer (that you have 6 controllable years for MLB) for a 2 month rental reliever.
Once the season ends , Helsley is free to sign with anyone and could leave the Yankees.
Think of it from a Cardinal perspective , let's say the Cardinals were in position like the Yankees and they had Helsley , if you were the Cardinals GM would YOU trade JJ Wetherholt for their Helsley for a 2 month rental . No way Jose ! Right ?
Though Arenado playing value isn't high , a team wanting Nado would at leas have him under contract for not only these two months but for both 2026 & 2027 . He is not a 2 month rental .
As to Arenado….I see those extra two years as a detriment….
He’s a poor player at 34….imagine this guy at 36
Re: Is Mo having a tough time finding quality trade returns?
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 16:03 pm
by JuanAgosto
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 14:15 pm
Mo has leverage. Hopefully he uses it with some measure of competence.
Big if
Yeah, I'm not very confident.