not a lot of hope in minors

[OldRed]

I am certainly not a front office apologist, but they have just invested in the whole player development system. We are about to get a change in leadership. Yes, I know ownership is not changing, but let's see what Bloom does. If they give him even a moderate budget, he will do more with it than MO did. The reality is we are a year or two away from some of these guys on the farm contributing. Next season will probably be a lot like this season. Around .500. perhaps Bloom will be allowed to get a real manager and pitching coach, we shall see about that.

So a different manager can make a talentless team play better over a 162 games?

Herzog was manager and GM and turned the team around. Talented people succeed.

[Cranny]

I am certainly not a front office apologist, but they have just invested in the whole player development system. We are about to get a change in leadership. Yes, I know ownership is not changing, but let's see what Bloom does. If they give him even a moderate budget, he will do more with it than MO did. The reality is we are a year or two away from some of these guys on the farm contributing. Next season will probably be a lot like this season. Around .500. perhaps Bloom will be allowed to get a real manager and pitching coach, we shall see about that.

So a different manager can make a talentless team play better over a 162 games?

Herzog was manager and GM and turned the team around. Talented people succeed.

Yes, we need more National Hall of Fame people in this organization!

[Carp4Cy]

I am certainly not a front office apologist, but they have just invested in the whole player development system. We are about to get a change in leadership. Yes, I know ownership is not changing, but let's see what Bloom does. If they give him even a moderate budget, he will do more with it than MO did. The reality is we are a year or two away from some of these guys on the farm contributing. Next season will probably be a lot like this season. Around .500. perhaps Bloom will be allowed to get a real manager and pitching coach, we shall see about that.

So a different manager can make a talentless team play better over a 162 games?

Herzog was manager and GM and turned the team around. Talented people succeed.

Yes, we need more National Hall of Fame people in this organization!

Well exactly. This is the STL Cardinals - a crown jewel franchise of major league baseball. Ownership needs to treat it as such and not as a promote incompetence from within branch office from Scranton PA.

[hugeCardfan]

there's hope and rebellion in the minors.

Bloom has stripped down the minors and rebuilt the R&D side, philosophy side for almost 2 seasons now. He's added more coaches/instructors per level to get up to speed with the rest of the Orgs. Guys who probably wouldn't have panned out early on in their pro career, are having remarkably/incredibly good years.

This sets up Bloom rather well going forward at the end of this season.

You want Immediate gratification? Sorry....attrition derailed your hopes there....plus it was stated we don't have the team to win this year...so the expectations should've been altered....but, alas, so many still wanted that highly competitive team with millions of prospects to pluck from.

A-men brother. I have a feeling that the OP is rather in the dark regarding young prospects working their way thru the minors. Here's to Bloom and company. Surprise us to the upside!

[Cardinals4Life]

have a few good players with some potential but after so many of supposedly future stars turning into pumpkins once they hit the majors you can see why the fan base is apathetic. Dewitt's have lost their competitive fire and are merely cashing huge checks and don't seem to care anymore so why would we as fans? crowds are small and doubtful if that's going to change anytime soon. mediocre product on field and STL is famous for punishing cheap (bleep) owners who are more interested in other markets or simply taking their money.

personally I have no interest in going to games anymore when there is just so little chance of being consistantly competitive and striving for playoffs. seems like more and more fanbases are getting there with only a handful of franchises willing to spend money on the few bigtime players.

especially now that Cardinals don't seem capable of developing enough talent.

Maybe we can acquire Zyhir Hope from the Dodgers then?!?!

[scoutyjones2]

I am certainly not a front office apologist, but they have just invested in the whole player development system. We are about to get a change in leadership. Yes, I know ownership is not changing, but let's see what Bloom does. If they give him even a moderate budget, he will do more with it than MO did. The reality is we are a year or two away from some of these guys on the farm contributing. Next season will probably be a lot like this season. Around .500. perhaps Bloom will be allowed to get a real manager and pitching coach, we shall see about that.

So a different manager can make a talentless team play better over a 162 games?

Herzog was manager and GM and turned the team around. Talented people succeed.

Name a current GM/manager..

In his 11 years with the Cards...
He was more likely to finish 3rd or worse, than first or second

[scoutyjones2]

I am certainly not a front office apologist, but they have just invested in the whole player development system. We are about to get a change in leadership. Yes, I know ownership is not changing, but let's see what Bloom does. If they give him even a moderate budget, he will do more with it than MO did. The reality is we are a year or two away from some of these guys on the farm contributing. Next season will probably be a lot like this season. Around .500. perhaps Bloom will be allowed to get a real manager and pitching coach, we shall see about that.

So a different manager can make a talentless team play better over a 162 games?

A different manager can diagnose what can be saved, what can be improved by teaching, and what needs to be replaced and demand additions. Tony made a HOF career of it.

He sure didn't do it early in his career. Was fired by the White Sox at age 42.

[Carp4Cy]

I am certainly not a front office apologist, but they have just invested in the whole player development system. We are about to get a change in leadership. Yes, I know ownership is not changing, but let's see what Bloom does. If they give him even a moderate budget, he will do more with it than MO did. The reality is we are a year or two away from some of these guys on the farm contributing. Next season will probably be a lot like this season. Around .500. perhaps Bloom will be allowed to get a real manager and pitching coach, we shall see about that.

So a different manager can make a talentless team play better over a 162 games?

A different manager can diagnose what can be saved, what can be improved by teaching, and what needs to be replaced and demand additions. Tony made a HOF career of it.

He sure didn't do it early in his career. Was fired by the White Sox at age 42.

Apparently he learned by doing. Which is why we should want a manager with prior experience

[scoutyjones2]

I am certainly not a front office apologist, but they have just invested in the whole player development system. We are about to get a change in leadership. Yes, I know ownership is not changing, but let's see what Bloom does. If they give him even a moderate budget, he will do more with it than MO did. The reality is we are a year or two away from some of these guys on the farm contributing. Next season will probably be a lot like this season. Around .500. perhaps Bloom will be allowed to get a real manager and pitching coach, we shall see about that.

So a different manager can make a talentless team play better over a 162 games?

A different manager can diagnose what can be saved, what can be improved by teaching, and what needs to be replaced and demand additions. Tony made a HOF career of it.

He sure didn't do it early in his career. Was fired by the White Sox at age 42.

Apparently he learned by doing. Which is why we should want a manager with prior experience

Oli managed in the minors

[cardsrmyteam]

The walking genius Mo built it, why is there any surprise.