Jizzo used to get plunked all the time for the Scrubs. WillyCon sets up close to the plate. He owns it and as such, he's going to get hit. He's the common denominator.
If you watch the replay, WillyCon only responded to Pivetta saying something...he wasn't looking for anything till Pivetta gave him some lip
rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:16 am
Plunked a MLB best 15 times.
I'm w/OR someone on this staff has to respond or it's going to kept happening until he gets hurt.
He sits alone on an island. Is the issue numerous teams are throwing at him, or is he inducing pitches up and in by his plate posture.
Definitely not his stance, just teams want to take away the inside part of the plate (which is fine).
But NOT when they keep hitting him above the waist.
Too many opportunities for serious injury (wrist, shoulder and of course head if they go that high).
He's the best hitter on the team.
His pitchers need to send a message (which would be heard round the league).
You throw at WillyC, we're throwing the same spot at your best hitter.
This is how MLB teams have policed things for hundreds of years.
He stands extremely close to the plate, he strides in even closer and his elbow was hanging over the edge of the plate when he was hit.
Not sure how you can say his stance has nothing to do with it. How is he supposed to get out of the way on anything inside under the conditions I described. Check out the Cards Website, its the first replay
rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:16 am
Plunked a MLB best 15 times.
I'm w/OR someone on this staff has to respond or it's going to kept happening until he gets hurt.
He sits alone on an island. Is the issue numerous teams are throwing at him, or is he inducing pitches up and in by his plate posture.
Definitely not his stance, just teams want to take away the inside part of the plate (which is fine).
But NOT when they keep hitting him above the waist.
Too many opportunities for serious injury (wrist, shoulder and of course head if they go that high).
He's the best hitter on the team.
His pitchers need to send a message (which would be heard round the league).
You throw at WillyC, we're throwing the same spot at your best hitter.
This is how MLB teams have policed things for hundreds of years.
I think many of the up and in pitches are a (bleep) shoot as to location. Then add a crowded box you may get knicked more often.
The fact that it’s many teams indicate to me it’s not intentional to hit him but it is part of the pitching strategy to pitch him tight.
Yep
But you can tell Willy's about had enough, he's going to charge one of these times.
Well that’s somewhat understandable and maybe the better way to handle it. It would draw the necessary attention required.
I know pitchers wouldn't want to see that big bull coming at them.
What's one way bullfighters dodge a bull? The Kirikiriki? IDK, but the crowd shouts OLE if they like it I guess. I liked it last night, and also liked the team coming out and supporting Contreras.
What might be better is what the pitcher says when the bull actually gets him. OLE@#%^!
rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:16 am
Plunked a MLB best 15 times.
I'm w/OR someone on this staff has to respond or it's going to kept happening until he gets hurt.
He sits alone on an island. Is the issue numerous teams are throwing at him, or is he inducing pitches up and in by his plate posture.
Definitely not his stance, just teams want to take away the inside part of the plate (which is fine).
But NOT when they keep hitting him above the waist.
Too many opportunities for serious injury (wrist, shoulder and of course head if they go that high).
He's the best hitter on the team.
His pitchers need to send a message (which would be heard round the league).
You throw at WillyC, we're throwing the same spot at your best hitter.
This is how MLB teams have policed things for hundreds of years.
He stands extremely close to the plate, he strides in even closer and his elbow was hanging over the edge of the plate when he was hit.
Not sure how you can say his stance has nothing to do with it. How is he supposed to get out of the way on anything inside under the conditions I described. Check out the Cards Website, its the first replay
You mean like dozens and dozens of other ML hitters who haven't been hit 15 times?
rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:16 am
Plunked a MLB best 15 times.
I'm w/OR someone on this staff has to respond or it's going to kept happening until he gets hurt.
He sits alone on an island. Is the issue numerous teams are throwing at him, or is he inducing pitches up and in by his plate posture.
Definitely not his stance, just teams want to take away the inside part of the plate (which is fine).
But NOT when they keep hitting him above the waist.
Too many opportunities for serious injury (wrist, shoulder and of course head if they go that high).
He's the best hitter on the team.
His pitchers need to send a message (which would be heard round the league).
You throw at WillyC, we're throwing the same spot at your best hitter.
This is how MLB teams have policed things for hundreds of years.
He stands extremely close to the plate, he strides in even closer and his elbow was hanging over the edge of the plate when he was hit.
Not sure how you can say his stance has nothing to do with it. How is he supposed to get out of the way on anything inside under the conditions I described. Check out the Cards Website, its the first replay
He was essentially begging for his pitching staff to defend him after being hit so many times.
According to Baseball Savant, Willson Contreras stands 30.1 inches away from home plate, one of the farthest back in the league. It's not like he's sitting on the plate or leaning into pitches often.
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:37 am
Jizzo used to get plunked all the time for the Scrubs. WillyCon sets up close to the plate. He owns it and as such, he's going to get hit. He's the common denominator.
If you watch the replay, WillyCon only responded to Pivetta saying something...he wasn't looking for anything till Pivetta gave him some lip
rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:16 am
Plunked a MLB best 15 times.
I'm w/OR someone on this staff has to respond or it's going to kept happening until he gets hurt.
He sits alone on an island. Is the issue numerous teams are throwing at him, or is he inducing pitches up and in by his plate posture.
Definitely not his stance, just teams want to take away the inside part of the plate (which is fine).
But NOT when they keep hitting him above the waist.
Too many opportunities for serious injury (wrist, shoulder and of course head if they go that high).
He's the best hitter on the team.
His pitchers need to send a message (which would be heard round the league).
You throw at WillyC, we're throwing the same spot at your best hitter.
This is how MLB teams have policed things for hundreds of years.
He stands extremely close to the plate, he strides in even closer and his elbow was hanging over the edge of the plate when he was hit.
Not sure how you can say his stance has nothing to do with it. How is he supposed to get out of the way on anything inside under the conditions I described. Check out the Cards Website, its the first replay
He was essentially begging for his pitching staff to defend him after being hit so many times.
According to Baseball Savant, Willson Contreras stands 30.1 inches away from home plate, one of the farthest back in the league. It's not like he's sitting on the plate or leaning into pitches often.
Love Contreras. My favorite Card. 4th best IB according to Fangraphs. You have to retaliate. I don't care if it was accident. I pitched and managed. You have to protect your players. If TLR was still here, I guarantee pitchers would do their job.
OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 07:23 am
St. Louis Cardinals pitchers once again fail to defend Willson Contreras, the club's de facto spark plug, after being hit once again.
Agreed...but to be honest. .I like your minor league threads better!
LOL!
It was the 15th hit-by-pitch of the 2025 season for Contreras, which leads the National League. Also mentioned that Contreras was hit twice by Padres pitchers last season (with one of those incidents involving Contreras getting hit on the left hand and being knocked out of play).
He should call Barry Bonds to learn about the body armor he used to wear
esp31 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:47 am
Love Contreras. My favorite Card. 4th best IB according to Fangraphs. You have to retaliate. I don't care if it was accident. I pitched and managed. You have to protect your players. If TLR was still here, I guarantee pitchers would do their job.
So forfeit a pitcher when you need innings because a guy who gets hit often, got hit again?
He wasn't even upset till Pivetta started yapping at him
rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:16 am
Plunked a MLB best 15 times.
I'm w/OR someone on this staff has to respond or it's going to kept happening until he gets hurt.
He sits alone on an island. Is the issue numerous teams are throwing at him, or is he inducing pitches up and in by his plate posture.
Definitely not his stance, just teams want to take away the inside part of the plate (which is fine).
But NOT when they keep hitting him above the waist.
Too many opportunities for serious injury (wrist, shoulder and of course head if they go that high).
He's the best hitter on the team.
His pitchers need to send a message (which would be heard round the league).
You throw at WillyC, we're throwing the same spot at your best hitter.
This is how MLB teams have policed things for hundreds of years.
He stands extremely close to the plate, he strides in even closer and his elbow was hanging over the edge of the plate when he was hit.
Not sure how you can say his stance has nothing to do with it. How is he supposed to get out of the way on anything inside under the conditions I described. Check out the Cards Website, its the first replay
He was essentially begging for his pitching staff to defend him after being hit so many times.
According to Baseball Savant, Willson Contreras stands 30.1 inches away from home plate, one of the farthest back in the league. It's not like he's sitting on the plate or leaning into pitches often.
Beat me to it OR!
His stance isn't the problem.
My eyes didn’t like small print after turning 50…….but watching the replay now 4-5 times theres no way you can tell me he’s one of “farthest back from plate in league” his rear foot is an inch or 2 from inner box line with his front foot in same spot when he strides while his elbow is out in front of him from there. To contrast a Pujols or Goldy set up farther from inside line and held their arms back above their ear not hanging out in front of them
I guess you’re gonna tell me that Don Baylor didn’t see up close to plate either?? Watch the vid on Cards site
esp31 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:47 am
Love Contreras. My favorite Card. 4th best IB according to Fangraphs. You have to retaliate. I don't care if it was accident. I pitched and managed. You have to protect your players. If TLR was still here, I guarantee pitchers would do their job.
So forfeit a pitcher when you need innings because a guy who gets hit often, got hit again?
He wasn't even upset till Pivetta started yapping at him
You have to pick your spot. You can even wait until the next game. bull[shirt] on him not being upset. He didn't say anything until Pivetta yapped but he's sick of it. You just can't have the perception your team and staff won't protect its players.
esp31 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 08:47 am
Love Contreras. My favorite Card. 4th best IB according to Fangraphs. You have to retaliate. I don't care if it was accident. I pitched and managed. You have to protect your players. If TLR was still here, I guarantee pitchers would do their job.
So forfeit a pitcher when you need innings because a guy who gets hit often, got hit again?
He wasn't even upset till Pivetta started yapping at him
You have to pick your spot. You can even wait until the next game. bull[shirt] on him not being upset. He didn't say anything until Pivetta yapped but he's sick of it. You just can't have the perception your team and staff won't protect its players.
You can't just overreact either. Again, did the Scrubs retaliate for Jizzo?
