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Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 08:45 am
by Bully4you
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:23 am
Absolut wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:29 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
I’d rather have the two of them up the middle
Till Winn needs knee surgery, or chronic back issues
You call everyone names here.
Then you come back with this garbage?
Take a good look in the mirror, what are you staring at?
I have to tell you; this is a dumb statement.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 09:05 am
by scoutyjones2
ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:42 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
Scouty has always hated Winn
There it is.
Thanks for playing your part.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 09:10 am
by scoutyjones2
Bully4you wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:45 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:23 am
Absolut wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:29 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
I’d rather have the two of them up the middle
Till Winn needs knee surgery, or chronic back issues
You call everyone names here.
Then you come back with this garbage?
Take a good look in the mirror, what are you staring at?
I have to tell you; this is a dumb statement.
Where did I call someone a name in this post?
You got to trade something to get something. I state all are available . I trade Winn or Hurdy. Posters get all upset. It's funny.
One has to go.
Sorry this upsets you Mrs Winn.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 09:14 am
by 2ninr
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:41 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
yup, because JJ doesn't have leg issues of his own
oh... wait..
Don't confuse them
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 09:18 am
by moose-and-squirrel
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 09:14 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:41 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
yup, because JJ doesn't have leg issues of his own
oh... wait..
Don't confuse them
sorry.. my bad
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 09:18 am
by Ozziesfan41
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:41 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
yup, because JJ doesn't have leg issues of his own
oh... wait..
lol no kidding he conveniently forgets JJs hamstring issues which are the reason he fell so low in the draft and already landed him on the IL this season but wants to take shots at Winn about his injuries
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 09:42 am
by icon
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:22 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
I wouldn't trade Winn. You've got a defensive SS with some pop. You add players around that . Do what it takes to move Nado, and maybe even Gorman, but not Winn.
He's way more than just a defensive SS. He's a superstar defensive shortstop with 16 OAA and a cannon for an arm. And only 3 errors. You keep guys like that. And his bat is way better than OzzIe's was at his age.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 10:11 am
by dugoutrex
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
you mean Donny is now available
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 10:17 am
by Cusecards
Technically....anyone can be dealt for the correct return.
I would be very hesitant to move Winn as he projects to be an elite defender for years at a prime defensive position.
I have not seen JJ play but it sounds like he could handle the position but Winn projects better.
JJ to 2B or 3B.
Now....I would consider moving Winn for a cost controlled TOR starter.
But those are rarely made available.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 11:19 am
by gpe13579
Zero chance Winn will or should be traded.
You don't make a talent depleted roster and improve it by trading Winn. He may or may not develop further offensively but he is already a top defensive SS.
You tell Arenado he accepts a trade (assuming anybody would take him for nothing) or he sits. Either way he is done being a fulltime player in STL.
Then you get to keep Winn and Donovan and put JJ at second.
You don't get better by trading Winn.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 11:26 am
by RunSup
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
Not at all. You still need a SS and a 2B.
Nado, Gorman,... those are the folks on the bubble
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 11:58 am
by 2ninr
icon wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 09:42 am
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:22 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
I wouldn't trade Winn. You've got a defensive SS with some pop. You add players around that . Do what it takes to move Nado, and maybe even Gorman, but not Winn.
He's way more than just a defensive SS. He's a superstar defensive shortstop with 16 OAA and a cannon for an arm. And only 3 errors. You keep guys like that. And his bat is way better than OzzIe's was at his age.
BPOT-But I don't have the energy to argue the point. Maybe JJ will be BPOT next year. But he won't be the best ss. So we should probably keep that guy.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 12:06 pm
by rockondlouie
icon wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 09:42 am
And his bat is way better than OzzIe's was at his age.
True
But even w/superior power (Ozzie had none), I'm not sure Winn is that much better an offensive player than 23 year old Ozzie:
Ozzie age 23 season
.258 BA
.311 OB%
46 RBI's
40 SB's
Winn age 23 season and counting
.269 BA
.325 OB%
34 RBI's
6 SB's
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 12:08 pm
by JDW
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:11 am
JDW wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:49 am
Absolut wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:29 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 07:12 am
Makes Winn expendable in a trade
I’d rather have the two of them up the middle
No doubt. Winn should get the necessary help with the knee to get it healthy for the 2026 season this off season.
+3 WAR guys don't grow on trees. When you produce one from the farm, especially while he's cost controlled, you shouldn't just trade them off, you instead try to produce more of them to strive to build a winning roster. Wetherholt projects to be another one.
Pair them together in the MI.
Donovan might produce a +3 WAR at 3B next year. Contreras could do the same at 1B. A Donovan-Winn-Wetherholt-Contreras IF alignment is potentially a really good one.
+1 I like that infield and add a good corner outfield bat and the line up could start looking pretty good
Hoping that Herrera can learn LF decently to possibly give the Cards better OF options.
Also optimistic about Baez, but maybe his ETA is late 2026 or 2027 if he continues to progress. Plus power potential there for sure.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 12:09 pm
by rockondlouie
He reminds me of Chase Utley!
The centerpiece C. Bloom will re-build the Cardinals around.
Re: JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 12:11 pm
by Bad14
Whose regime drafted him?
Not a Mo fan but couldn't resist.