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Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:34 pm
by Jobu's Rum
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:31 pm
And when they are all traded, you’ll be yelling at Mo, because he got totally fleeced again!
I said end this madness BLOOM, Mozeliak is cooked. Bloom has to approve all final moves
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:35 pm
by StlMike1969
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
I am sorry but Gorman is not a build around piece. I buy into your intent however. This team is done, and I for one welcome only one event at this point simply because the one thing you must have to have a championship team, is pitching. This team does not have it. You can buy a bat or two to put you over the finish line at the trade deadline. You can even buy a pitcher or two that is the finishing touch. This team needs both sides of the coin in big quantities. The management has already expressed they are not in the business of buying championships, and not for trading for them at the deadline. Which is a policy I agree with. The trade deadline prices are always too inflated. They need to sell right now. Let guys like Arenado, Contreras, Fedde and Gray see the light and jump ship with the managements blessing. Trade them along with guys that need a change of scenery like Gorman. Get what prospects you can and compete for a good draft position again next year. Use the offseason to jettison Moz and all his cruddy managers. Trade for some young guys and go into spring with a new mindset and team.
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
by Jobu's Rum
StlMike1969 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:35 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
I am sorry but Gorman is not a build around piece. I buy into your intent however. This team is done, and I for one welcome only one event at this point simply because the one thing you must have to have a championship team, is pitching. This team does not have it. You can buy a bat or two to put you over the finish line at the trade deadline. You can even buy a pitcher or two that is the finishing touch. This team needs both sides of the coin in big quantities. The management has already expressed they are not in the business of buying championships, and not for trading for them at the deadline. Which is a policy I agree with. The trade deadline prices are always too inflated. They need to sell right now. Let guys like Arenado, Contreras, Fedde and Gray see the light and jump ship with the managements blessing. Trade them along with guys that need a change of scenery like Gorman. Get what prospects you can and compete for a good draft position again next year. Use the offseason to jettison Moz and all his cruddy managers. Trade for some young guys and go into spring with a new mindset and team.
I can definitely understand both sides on the Gorman argument. I only mention this group to keep bc you cant sell off EVERYONE, then you would have to likely spend 70-80% on the new team and we know cheap Dewitt aint doing that
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:44 pm
by Youboughtit
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
StlMike1969 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:35 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
I am sorry but Gorman is not a build around piece. I buy into your intent however. This team is done, and I for one welcome only one event at this point simply because the one thing you must have to have a championship team, is pitching. This team does not have it. You can buy a bat or two to put you over the finish line at the trade deadline. You can even buy a pitcher or two that is the finishing touch. This team needs both sides of the coin in big quantities. The management has already expressed they are not in the business of buying championships, and not for trading for them at the deadline. Which is a policy I agree with. The trade deadline prices are always too inflated. They need to sell right now. Let guys like Arenado, Contreras, Fedde and Gray see the light and jump ship with the managements blessing. Trade them along with guys that need a change of scenery like Gorman. Get what prospects you can and compete for a good draft position again next year. Use the offseason to jettison Moz and all his cruddy managers. Trade for some young guys and go into spring with a new mindset and team.
I can definitely understand both sides on the Gorman argument. I only mention this group to keep bc you cant sell off EVERYONE, then you would have to likely spend 70-80% on the new team and we know cheap Dewitt aint doing that
Keep Wetherholt Donovan Hererra Winn and Burleson. Everyone else can go
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:47 pm
by ecleme22
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
StlMike1969 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:35 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
I am sorry but Gorman is not a build around piece. I buy into your intent however. This team is done, and I for one welcome only one event at this point simply because the one thing you must have to have a championship team, is pitching. This team does not have it. You can buy a bat or two to put you over the finish line at the trade deadline. You can even buy a pitcher or two that is the finishing touch. This team needs both sides of the coin in big quantities. The management has already expressed they are not in the business of buying championships, and not for trading for them at the deadline. Which is a policy I agree with. The trade deadline prices are always too inflated. They need to sell right now. Let guys like Arenado, Contreras, Fedde and Gray see the light and jump ship with the managements blessing. Trade them along with guys that need a change of scenery like Gorman. Get what prospects you can and compete for a good draft position again next year. Use the offseason to jettison Moz and all his cruddy managers. Trade for some young guys and go into spring with a new mindset and team.
I can definitely understand both sides on the Gorman argument. I only mention this group to keep bc you cant sell off EVERYONE, then you would have to likely spend 70-80% on the new team and we know cheap Dewitt aint doing that
I don’t wish to sell NG either. His trade value can’t be great.
Unless he’s part of some larger ambitious trade package
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:48 pm
by MIDMOBIRDTWO
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
BD would be my only untouchable at this point.
Bill Dewitt?
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:51 pm
by alw80
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:48 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
BD would be my only untouchable at this point.
Bill Dewitt?
Donovan
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:51 pm
by StlMike1969
ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:47 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
StlMike1969 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:35 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
I am sorry but Gorman is not a build around piece. I buy into your intent however. This team is done, and I for one welcome only one event at this point simply because the one thing you must have to have a championship team, is pitching. This team does not have it. You can buy a bat or two to put you over the finish line at the trade deadline. You can even buy a pitcher or two that is the finishing touch. This team needs both sides of the coin in big quantities. The management has already expressed they are not in the business of buying championships, and not for trading for them at the deadline. Which is a policy I agree with. The trade deadline prices are always too inflated. They need to sell right now. Let guys like Arenado, Contreras, Fedde and Gray see the light and jump ship with the managements blessing. Trade them along with guys that need a change of scenery like Gorman. Get what prospects you can and compete for a good draft position again next year. Use the offseason to jettison Moz and all his cruddy managers. Trade for some young guys and go into spring with a new mindset and team.
I can definitely understand both sides on the Gorman argument. I only mention this group to keep bc you cant sell off EVERYONE, then you would have to likely spend 70-80% on the new team and we know cheap Dewitt aint doing that
I don’t wish to sell NG either. His trade value can’t be great.
Unless he’s part of some larger ambitious trade package
Gorman and Walker for that matter cannot continue to take a spot on the MLB roster and not be a piece with purpose. Even if they ride the bench then they should at least be dangerous late game bats. They just are not. Neither one exhibits a command of the strike zone. They are mistake hitters that rarely get a mistake pitch. They need a change of scenery and the cards need the roster spot.
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:53 pm
by Youboughtit
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:51 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:48 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
BD would be my only untouchable at this point.
Bill Dewitt?
Donovan
Wetherholt is the 2B so your fine locking Donovan down to an extension at 5/70 ish as a no power LF?
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:53 pm
by MIDMOBIRDTWO
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:51 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:48 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
BD would be my only untouchable at this point.
Bill Dewitt?
Donovan
JUST trying to lighten the mood. Baseball is a funny game.
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:53 pm
by Alex Reyes Cy Young
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
Gorman has a damaged back. Sell if you can.
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:56 pm
by alw80
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:53 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:51 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:48 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
BD would be my only untouchable at this point.
Bill Dewitt?
Donovan
Wetherholt is the 2B so your fine locking Donovan down to an extension at 5/70 ish as a no power LF?
Yep. Also, Lars has 12 HRs to BDs 8. Not like you're losing any power there.
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 19:56 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:53 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:51 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:48 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
BD would be my only untouchable at this point.
Bill Dewitt?
Donovan
Wetherholt is the 2B so your fine locking Donovan down to an extension at 5/70 ish as a no power LF?
I think it depends on what the cardinals game plan is going to be going forward if they are going to let bloom spend to previous mo levels then keep Donovan if you’re trying to build a team to win now he’s absolutely a player you want on that team you can find playing time for him and he can play second when JJ goes down with hammie issues If they are going for a full blown rebuild sell no reason to keep him and you could get a good prospect in return for him
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 20:02 pm
by Lightning Rod
Gorman? Tell me you haven't been drinking.
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 20:19 pm
by Adam2
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
BD would be my only untouchable at this point.
He is certainly not untouchable. We have nobody untouchable. If he's untouchable you're saying no if the cubs offer PCA. Nobody is untouchable
Re: Sell EVERYONE on this team not named Winn, Lib, Gorman or Herrera
Posted: 19 Jul 2025 20:20 pm
by alw80
Adam2 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 20:19 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Build around Winn, Herrera, Gorman and Lib, ..MAYBE Walker…along with JJ, Doyle and the rest of the top prospects.
End this madness Bloom
BD would be my only untouchable at this point.
He is certainly not untouchable. We have nobody untouchable. If he's untouchable you're saying no if the cubs offer PCA. Nobody is untouchable
Why would the Cubs offer PCA for BD?