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JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 13:22 pm Deals that need to be made at the deadline:
1. Helsley
2. Matz
Both are expiring contracts that have trade value.

Deals that should be considered at the deadline:
1. One of Nootbaar or Burleson.
2. Maton (if return is good).

Deals that could be considered if the return is GREAT:
1. Donovan (unpopular......but if the return is a haul.. ).
2. Gray (should net multiple prospects).

Arenado should be on a need to deal list.

Shady wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 13:23 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 12:43 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 12:34 pm I would trade Nootbaar. The return now will be low. But he is an injury prone gimmick.

Trade Noot and Arenado. Primarily, Walker RF, Burleson LF, Donovan 2B, Gorman 3B, Herrera DH for the rest of the season. See what you have in Walker and Gorman. Wetherholt is on the way at 2B or 3B. Donnie can move to LF, Burly to RF, if needed.

There were teams that Arenado would accept a trade to. There may be more now. Obviously, the Cardinals would need to eat quite some salary. It's time for Mo to do some serious negotiating to open up some room in the lineup. Namely, for Gorman and Wetherholt pretty soon.

He won't accept a trade mid-season. He doesn't want to move. Players are more optimistic than most of you fans. Given that we aren't in last place and mathmatically eliminated, he's not itching to get out of here, at least not before the offseason.

donnie if you want a return

bfib wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 11:46 am In this scenario, one has to go to make way for JJ.

Do you trade Noot (oft injured, underperforming) or Donnie (good player, better return)?

There is a reason that other teams won’t give us a haul for most of our regulars. They are pretty easy to replace at low cost. Yes, trade Noot, but by himself he won’t bring back anything but another replacement level player. Donnie and Winn are worth a decent return. The rest of the MLB position players, not so much.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 13:14 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 11:52 am Noot would he a very low sell so I’d say no and hope for improvement next season. Could be a late bloomer.

Donovan is the last guy I’d want to trade but if complete sell off ends up being the decision, then he’s the first one I’d trade due to his value.

The selling low for lottery tickets netted nothing from a few years ago. Jordan Montgomery should’ve netted something but didn’t.

I'm mostly with you. But seems like its getting pretty late for Noot to start blooming. He will be 28 this year. 29 sometime next year. This should be his prime.

Wow, I didn’t realize he was that old. For some reason I thought he was a few years younger.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 11:48 am In the right deal, both should be available.

Same here, especially if the deal is for pitching.

bfib wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 12:04 pm Yeah, obviously Noot is the guy you’d rather lose at this point but it’s exactly as you say. Selling low. Donnie has significant value at this point.

Tough decision really

What if JJ is in the outfield for both Nootbaar and Donovan's arbitration years?

BD is 2B for 2 seasons. Noot becomes Melville's dream as a 4th OFer providing a good
floor. Baez, JJ, VS2 and Noot, or others who are in the mix. But let them beat Noots
floor vs maybe this guy can do it.

The add of solid production in the OF is needed. BD is fine at 2B not as good when
looking for SLG from a corner OFer.

Now of course a trade that brings a starter at any position back changes the entire story.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 11:48 am In the right deal, both should be available.

100 percent. Guys I hope they keep are Winn and Scott. But everyone on this team should be available.

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 14:43 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 11:48 am In the right deal, both should be available.

Same here, especially if the deal is for pitching.

It’s kind of a no brainer.

Donovan’s last year under contract is 2027.
Donovan will be 30 in 2027.

Mo/Bloom have to keep their ears open and at least consider offers.

If the Astros can move on from Tucker and be better for it, then the cards can move on from Donovan.

I will believe Bloom wants to win, not just in regular season, but NLC and get to WS. Need to have a core to build upon - that is Winn and Donovan.

Noot type players are dime a dozen. Fully aware Koperniak is not producing in Memphis but would still give him or Torres a shot as Noot replacement.

MLB seems convinced that Cleveland is listening to offers for Clase. I would attempt to pry Clase and Kwan from Cleveland and in return give them Helsey, Torres, Pozo, and A prospect.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 11:48 am In the right deal, both should be available.

This...^^^

AND

Yes

ilcubuffs wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 14:56 pm I will believe Bloom wants to win, not just in regular season, but NLC and get to WS. Need to have a core to build upon - that is Winn and Donovan.

Noot type players are dime a dozen. Fully aware Koperniak is not producing in Memphis but would still give him or Torres a shot as Noot replacement.

MLB seems convinced that Cleveland is listening to offers for Clase. I would attempt to pry Clase and Kwan from Cleveland and in return give them Helsey, Torres, Pozo, and A prospect.

I tend to agree, although Winn's star is waning.
It would be fun to see an infield that included Donnie and JJ-and Winn, for that matter.
Noot is the clear person to move, although Gorman could go in the right deal.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 13:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 13:23 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 12:43 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 12:34 pm I would trade Nootbaar. The return now will be low. But he is an injury prone gimmick.

Trade Noot and Arenado. Primarily, Walker RF, Burleson LF, Donovan 2B, Gorman 3B, Herrera DH for the rest of the season. See what you have in Walker and Gorman. Wetherholt is on the way at 2B or 3B. Donnie can move to LF, Burly to RF, if needed.

There were teams that Arenado would accept a trade to. There may be more now. Obviously, the Cardinals would need to eat quite some salary. It's time for Mo to do some serious negotiating to open up some room in the lineup. Namely, for Gorman and Wetherholt pretty soon.

He won't accept a trade mid-season. He doesn't want to move. Players are more optimistic than most of you fans. Given that we aren't in last place and mathmatically eliminated, he's not itching to get out of here, at least not before the offseason.

But the Cardinals will not be buyers to any degree necessary to be serious contenders. Meanwhile, other contenders are likely to add significant pieces. That's not going to happen in St Louis right now.

bfib wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 11:46 am In this scenario, one has to go to make way for JJ.

Do you trade Noot (oft injured, underperforming) or Donnie (good player, better return)?

Making room for JJ? Why are you not considering Winn or Noot? Or Donovan or Winn?

Maybe better question who would you rather keep to play infield with JJ. Winn or Donovan?

icon wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 15:24 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 13:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 13:23 pm

Shady wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 12:43 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 12:34 pm I would trade Nootbaar. The return now will be low. But he is an injury prone gimmick.

Trade Noot and Arenado. Primarily, Walker RF, Burleson LF, Donovan 2B, Gorman 3B, Herrera DH for the rest of the season. See what you have in Walker and Gorman. Wetherholt is on the way at 2B or 3B. Donnie can move to LF, Burly to RF, if needed.

There were teams that Arenado would accept a trade to. There may be more now. Obviously, the Cardinals would need to eat quite some salary. It's time for Mo to do some serious negotiating to open up some room in the lineup. Namely, for Gorman and Wetherholt pretty soon.

He won't accept a trade mid-season. He doesn't want to move. Players are more optimistic than most of you fans. Given that we aren't in last place and mathmatically eliminated, he's not itching to get out of here, at least not before the offseason.

But the Cardinals will not be buyers to any degree necessary to be serious contenders. Meanwhile, other contenders are likely to add significant pieces. That's not going to happen in St Louis right now.

The right thing to do for players with a NTC is to not even try to trade them midseason unless they demand a trade. Its just disrespectful and 90% of the people around here don't get that. NTCs should mean something.