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Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 14:43 pm

45s wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 14:27 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:21 pm

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

I think that’s a very good call….

Sell who? Players a team would buy are Gray Helsley Donovan Winn Hererra Wetherholt and maybe for Pennie’s on the dollar Gorman or Walker.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:21 pm

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 14:50 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:21 pm

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

Agreed. Move one starter and one reliever. They can still compete for a playoff spot. While building up their talent base for the future.

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 14:59 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 14:50 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:21 pm

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

Agreed. Move one starter and one reliever. They can still compete for a playoff spot. While building up their talent base for the future.

Gray Maton and Helsley are the only ones any contender will want. Other would require DFA or selling for Pennie’s on the dollar

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 14:59 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 14:50 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:21 pm

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

Agreed. Move one starter and one reliever. They can still compete for a playoff spot. While building up their talent base for the future.

Gray Maton and Helsley are the only ones any contender will want. Other would require DFA or selling for Pennie’s on the dollar

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:55 am

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:50 am Hmm, Moe just thought "whew, that gets me off the hook".

Caption- moe- “alright. Already out of the game. Let’s golf.”

ClassicO wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:02 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

It's clearly a seller's market. Helsley, Maton and even Matz have inflated values because of it. We now know Fedde and Miko are worthless.
If Mo doesn't get something of decent value back, it's a sin. These FAs aren't coming back, and the team isn't going to the playoffs (and would be 1-10 if they get lucky and do).
If someone makes an offer for Burly, Donny, or even Gorman (unlikely) - and a catcher not named Bernal, they have to listen.
I think Miami is the place to look for trades, as they manufacture pitching (3 of their top 5 prospects are good pitchers).

stlbirdlover wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 18:25 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:02 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

It's clearly a seller's market. Helsley, Maton and even Matz have inflated values because of it. We now know Fedde and Miko are worthless.
If Mo doesn't get something of decent value back, it's a sin. These FAs aren't coming back, and the team isn't going to the playoffs (and would be 1-10 if they get lucky and do).
If someone makes an offer for Burly, Donny, or even Gorman (unlikely) - and a catcher not named Bernal, they have to listen.
I think Miami is the place to look for trades, as they manufacture pitching (3 of their top 5 prospects are good pitchers).

Burly is 26 and Donny 28 and they're the 2 best hitters on the team and you want to trade them away! NO WAY!

stlbirdlover wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 18:25 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:02 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

It's clearly a seller's market. Helsley, Maton and even Matz have inflated values because of it. We now know Fedde and Miko are worthless.
If Mo doesn't get something of decent value back, it's a sin. These FAs aren't coming back, and the team isn't going to the playoffs (and would be 1-10 if they get lucky and do).
If someone makes an offer for Burly, Donny, or even Gorman (unlikely) - and a catcher not named Bernal, they have to listen.
I think Miami is the place to look for trades, as they manufacture pitching (3 of their top 5 prospects are good pitchers).

Burly is 26 and Donny 28 and they're the 2 best hitters on the team and you want to trade them away! NO WAY!